Lord Amberden,

I fully admit to knowing nothing of your personal circumstances, but as a former employee did you not queue up to join once upon a time?

EK

No I didn't, I was '200 rated and they snapped me up.;)

The money was good then, £164 "tax free" in sector pay for a four sector day. My mates that stayed wish they hadn't.

Fair enough. Perhaps you weren't a wannabe but they offerd you the best deal at the time. And you took it even though I'm sure they had a poor reputation even then.

I suppose my point is that you can't really blame wannabes for queing around the block for the best (only) offer on the table. Even if it is crap.

I'm genuinely glad you found a better place. And I'm only a little bit jealous!

EK

Thanks EK, much appreciated. I'm at EZY now and generally things couldn't be much better (for me, but not our cadets unfortunately) but Mr Brady is doing his best to Ryanise us, with the connivance of Balpa regrettably.

I've got 12 years left, love the job more than ever, but I fear for the future if the greedy self serving, short term, bonus obsessed managers have their way. :{

B738 Driver - thanks
 

But let´s not forget the social security also, as of June or July this year we need to pay social security where we are based. In Italy it is 34%.

To calculate a net salary using Italy as an example of the base of the pilot and for simplicity use 100.000€ gross income this is what it will look like.

Social security:

100.000€ Gross*34% Social Security (*0,34)=66.000€

Then we deduct:

Tax at 35% so 66.000€*0,35=42.900€

Divide that with twelve and we get 3575€.

We haven´t even included the cost of
Pension, Loss of licence, Medical checks, Food, Water, Licence fees, Parking, id´s etc

I'm currently doing my last 5 subjects for my ATPL's and after that I will carry on to do my MEIR and MCC....
When I have finished all my training and start looking for a job would Ryanair be the only company to even consider looking at my CV??
I see a lot of people complaining about Ryanair but it doesn't look like many other companies are employing low hour pilots like myself.
I'm a male,21,200h(when I complete my training)would Ryanair employ me with that ?

look forward to hear your replies.:)

Shoeless,

Short answer, yes. But please search this forum. There are thousands of pages on Ryanair recruitment.

Pablo,

Is that right? You pay 57% tax in Italy? That is the highest rate of tax in the World. :confused:

So, if a pilot is on a floating contract who pays for the hotel?

They won't I bet, never did with me or anyone else I know, shiny new license is the requirement

As for hotels floating, you get €20 extra per schedule block hour, ie 6 hours flying = €120 extra for expenses

And they are not all Etap and crap, I stay in some really nice hotels floating, but like anywhere in any airline there are rough with the smooth

Thanks zero.

Shoeless, as far as I can tell, as long as you've passed the exams, you'll be fine..

Also does anyone know that if it is possible to pay for the TR in small installments or does Ryanair want the 30k in full before you start?:)

Full 30k

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Hi Guys anyone who is considering joining Ryanair be warned cadets on line training are being turfed out after paying 30k with no job.
16 contracters where sacked last September. you dont come into this airline with security. Is too much of a risk?

Not quite a fairy tale but not completely true either. The 16 "no longer required" were let go over an issue over Spanish I D's. They don't just take your cash and get rid of you, that would be ridiculous. You will be chopped however very quickly if either you can't cut it, or step out of line!

Congrats to RYR on their profits up 25%. You should all look forward to some pay rises...

Woosh!!!!.... gosh there is another squadron of flying pigs; and green ones too.

It is difficult to feel sympathy for Ryanair pilots given the fact they actively turned down the advances of BALPA, despite countless warnings of what would happen to their terms and conditions. Now, surprise, surprise you find yourselves working for unscrupulous employers who are making millions while you take year-on-year pay cuts with no security of employment. The only difference between us at easyJet and you guys at Ryanair is BALPA, warts and all. Taken as a whole, despite all the same issues you face, we are in a way better position simply because of BALPA. What did you think was going to happen when you turned BALPA away? I have to say that it was an act of professional suicide, albeit a slow and painful one.

It's easy to go on about BALPA and question why Ryanair pilots have failed to unionise but the answer is simple. Most airlines such as easyJet, Jet2 etc are full of British pilots for whom BALPA unionisation would make complete sense. At Ryanair, there is an enormous mix of nationalities and no individual union (such as BALPA or their Irish / Spanish / Italian / French / German / Swiss / Turkish / Brazilian equivalent) has enough to offer Ryanair pilots as a united group.

Ryanair purposefully base UK Captains abroad in a wide variety of countries, base Italians in Latvia/Poland/Canaries, Spanish pilots in Germany/Ireland/UK etc etc which makes unionising far far harder. Comparing easyJet with Ryanair when it comes to ease of unionising is like comparing apples with oranges - it's a totally different scenario.

A quick example. If every British easyJet pilot went on strike tomorrow, the airline would be virtually grounded. If every British Ryanair pilot went on strike tomorrow, probably about 80% of the operation would continue unscathed.

Profits to fall? Well they went up 25% so that'll make up for it.

Their warning of profits to fall is probably bullcrap, it's probably a PR stunt so RYR staff don't kick up a fuss and demand pay rise.