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Depends on: if you are a contractor or permanent, which contractor if the second case applies and which contract in the first case, which base you are in, which of the various pay scales you're on, if you get sent out of base ,on how many unpaid standbys you get and much more.
Anyway you look at it you get pad well below industry standard and have absolutely no benefits.
Anyway you look at it you get pad well below industry standard and have absolutely no benefits.
irishpilot1990 That isn't correct at all.....a 10 year Capt makes less then a brand new one, as he's probably switched base 3 or 4 times, taking a 10% pay cut on their basic salary each time 
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Or perhaps they will now appreciate what a disservice Ryanair have done to the industry, which is irreversible? Whilst I appreciate that working for Ryanair must be deeply unpleasant, you all chose to do it knowing what MOL was like, and what their capacity for vindictive actions towards flight crew would be.
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If you are a contractor on the new FO contract and you do 700 hours you will be netting 46707 euros on the top rate(78.50). But thats it, no sick pay or security. On average an FO in Ryanair does that amount of hours. However last year I did close to 900 and was on 71.50 per hour which is the medium rate. That worked out at 53k euros take home after paying 15 percent tax. It works for me at the moment but the trouble is for how long?
To sum up. This company is about getting your hours and getting out. Getting a quick command and then heading far east perhaps also.
But IMHO it isnt a career airline anymore. There is simply no stability.
To sum up. This company is about getting your hours and getting out. Getting a quick command and then heading far east perhaps also.
But IMHO it isnt a career airline anymore. There is simply no stability.
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What is it with this company ?
Today in less tha two hours there were SIX Ryanairs hailed on 121.5 for F....up and not beeing on their frequencies.
Or is it MoLs private frequency now ?
Today in less tha two hours there were SIX Ryanairs hailed on 121.5 for F....up and not beeing on their frequencies.
Or is it MoLs private frequency now ?
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It is to do with their briefings.
To satisfy the RYR lawyers at the enquiry, the pilots must mention absolutely every single detail of their proposed approach in the briefing, including the words ' threat error management'! I kid you not. If they are to have any chance of a visual approach, that must be briefed separately in a 'double brief' which states where and when you will select flaps, gear etc.
All of this verbose briefing takes a very long time and must be on the CVR. They tend to focus on that and therefore the RT is missed and/or ignored. They also think the daft SOP calls take priority over RT and often 'step on' RT clearances or frequency changes.
Whenever they are not talking the aircraft into submission, they are pestering ATC for directs etc. A friend of mine at Eurocontrol tells me the new ATC guys are being trained to filter out extraeanous transmissions such as these and guess which airline is the major culprit.
To satisfy the RYR lawyers at the enquiry, the pilots must mention absolutely every single detail of their proposed approach in the briefing, including the words ' threat error management'! I kid you not. If they are to have any chance of a visual approach, that must be briefed separately in a 'double brief' which states where and when you will select flaps, gear etc.
All of this verbose briefing takes a very long time and must be on the CVR. They tend to focus on that and therefore the RT is missed and/or ignored. They also think the daft SOP calls take priority over RT and often 'step on' RT clearances or frequency changes.
Whenever they are not talking the aircraft into submission, they are pestering ATC for directs etc. A friend of mine at Eurocontrol tells me the new ATC guys are being trained to filter out extraeanous transmissions such as these and guess which airline is the major culprit.
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Not bad, paying 15 percert taxes for almost 70000euro gross income???? Where te hell is that? I wonder what you guys are going to do when you have to pay according to you base tax regulator .......it sound to me where I live....ummmm close to 40 percent......
In my daily experience, 9 out of 10 requests for direct routeings, wx's at destination and what have you, are from FR. I remember that a couple of years back I made a comment to my colleague on the flight deck about FR pilots always asking for something. My personal impression is that these guys are under constant pressure from o'leary and his cronies.
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We constantly ask fow WX because we don't have ACARS (too expensive for a comoany that makes 600million net profit) so we have no access to any kind of dinamically changing piece of info, moreover we are discouraged to stay off the radio listening to VOLMETS because of the frequent LOSTCOMMS that have and continue to happen to our aircraft.
Additionally we often ask twice for the QNH setting because our dumb SOPs require you not only to double brief a non precision approach but also to double check the QNH (with ACARS you can just print it and read it).
Of course many of us also ask for higher levels because we don't have tactical flight planning but simple repetitive flight plans (too expensive just like ACARS) and for short cuts because in many bases you get a personal letter if you don't save enough fuel (calculations based on no scientific criteria because they don't take into account a holdings or diversions for instance).
As far as $$ is concerned you can summarize it in about 6000/6500€ for Captains (net and without any benefits) for an average of 75/80 hours/month and 3000/3500€ for F/Os for 75/80 hours (net and without any benefit).
The numbers above are to be multiplied by 10.5 months because during your 1.5 months of annual leave (to be taken only in the winter months) you will not be paid a penny since you only get the $$ of you fly.
Additionally we often ask twice for the QNH setting because our dumb SOPs require you not only to double brief a non precision approach but also to double check the QNH (with ACARS you can just print it and read it).
Of course many of us also ask for higher levels because we don't have tactical flight planning but simple repetitive flight plans (too expensive just like ACARS) and for short cuts because in many bases you get a personal letter if you don't save enough fuel (calculations based on no scientific criteria because they don't take into account a holdings or diversions for instance).
As far as $$ is concerned you can summarize it in about 6000/6500€ for Captains (net and without any benefits) for an average of 75/80 hours/month and 3000/3500€ for F/Os for 75/80 hours (net and without any benefit).
The numbers above are to be multiplied by 10.5 months because during your 1.5 months of annual leave (to be taken only in the winter months) you will not be paid a penny since you only get the $$ of you fly.
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EUR40k a year for left seat? Is that a misprint? The girls in the back with us make more then that.
This is not a joke.
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