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captplaystation 29th March 2011 08:52

d105, having spent 6 years in Ryanair I sympathise. I spent most of my time there trying to get colleagues "on-side" and doing what I could to try and get some representation.
Regretably then, as now, too many had their own agenda and could only see as far as their next base request/promotion to Capt, LTC or whatever.

I am not gloating at your situation whatsoever, it was mine, and indeed what happens to you happens to the rest of us, usually sooner rather than later.
Individual acceptance/acquiescence = the collective merde you are in.
The solution is very simple, but somehow always seems to be beyond reach.
Everytime something happens, those of us on the outside think "phew, that MUST be the last straw, surely they won't stand for that".

Regretably you do, and nothing changes. I offer this as an observation, if I had a solution I would offer that too, but by the end of my time there I realised I was just doing this :ugh: as have so many before and after me.

AreYouForReal 29th March 2011 12:23

says it all
 
d105

we try to fend for ourselves as best as we can.
This statement says it all. None of the guys in Ryanair will ever get anywhere because everyone is only looking after No.1.
How many times have you lot been called up in the last month or two to work days off, especially skippers. They are really struggling to keep things on track over the summer season. This is going to be one of the few chances that you have to actually stand together and make even a small bit of headway.

Mr Angry from Purley 29th March 2011 12:28

What does sub part Q say about dual basings, 50km, 60mins?.

widered 29th March 2011 15:16

Areyouforreal I agree with your post especially that part that says

'This is going to be one of the few chances that you have to actually stand together and make even a small bit of headway'.

Pilots of ryanair the company is on its knees we need to strike now while the Iron is hot they declared war on us years ago as a workforce now we need to get togetheir.

However i dont agree that we are all out for ourselves recent events have shown this.On REPA etc it is the talking point, people are pissed off.
STAND UP AND FIGHT !!!
There is only 2 sides in this argument no fence

Mr Angry from Purley 30th March 2011 08:33

You can see why BALPA suggested dual basings should be "with crew member agreement". I feel more sorry for the CC anyone who lives near a FR base will regularly see CC standing at a bus stop as the monies so crap they can't afford a car. Got a few ctc's at the JAA the only consolation i can offer is i'll drop them a line........

maybepilot 30th March 2011 10:49


What does sub part Q say about dual basings, 50km, 60mins?.
Not too sure about that one but regarding theboxer's post when he says:


A colleague of mine got up at 3:15AM today for his drive to PMO, got back home at 6PM and will be up at 3:15AM to work tomorrow.
and


Everyone is exhausted after only 1 day, I need to sleep in the cruise.
it might be useful to have a read at the Operator's responsibilities in subpart Q:


3. Operators' responsibilities

3.1. An operator shall nominate a home base for each crew member.

3.2. Operators shall be expected to appreciate the relationship between the frequencies and pattern of flight duty periods and rest periods and give due consideration to the cumulative effects of undertaking long duty hours interspersed with minimum rest.

3.3. Operators shall allocate duty patterns which avoid such undesirable practices as alternating day/night duties or the positioning of crew members so that a serious disruption of established sleep/work pattern occurs.

3.4. Operators shall plan local days free of duty and notify crew members in advance.

3.5. Operators shall ensure that rest periods provide sufficient time to enable crew to overcome the effects of the previous duties and to be well rested by the start of the following flight duty period.

3.6. Operators shall ensure flight duty periods are planned to enable crew members to remain sufficiently free from fatigue so they can operate to a satisfactory level of safety under all circumstances.

theboxer 30th March 2011 14:45

Looks like things may be moving back to TPS tomorrow night, if my flights are on time tomorrow I will make it home at 6:30pm

Mikehotel152 31st March 2011 09:43

TPS re-opening on April Fool's Day.

captjns 31st March 2011 10:00

Massive sick out by flight and cabin crew is the way to cure this problem. How many cabin crew can they get to locate to TPS on a moments notice.

There is a world out there besides FR.

Nicholas49 31st March 2011 16:11

For what it's worth, I travelled from Trapani to Palermo when I went on holiday to Sicily a few years ago.

I would not describe it as an 'easy drive' (straight down/up the M11 to Stansted, anyone?), or particularly 'commutable' for that matter. But then I didn't drive it at 03:30 to operate a 737 from Palermo airport. I was on holiday.

Hope those affected get the situation sorted.

Mr Angry from Purley 1st April 2011 19:30

Hi Maybepilot
1. The operator did nominate the home base - the other one from normal.
Hopefully this example will be on its way to EASA

ryanairpilotSTN 5th April 2011 21:46

Surprised that O'Leary has not threatened to close the Trapani base with an ultimatum to the locally based crews to get Gadaffi to stop the war.


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