If you are better than me, stay where u are and get paid ur worth on the lefthand seat,i wont disturb your career :-)

I am expressing my opinion, not any wishes or intentions since i am still employed and paid my worth at a "major" with T and Cs that you would consider much better than FR (infact it is not so, sadly) i see not many others being so aggressively opposed to me as you are.
Just get an interview somewhere and study to pass it, that will keep you busy.

PS Most of italian airlines pay captains between 5000 and 6000, net...of course, a legal net, not a made up net. But still, not such a big issues for some of us.

This statement should be put into context: such figures ,at least in the 3 Italian airlines I have worked for, are correct for an average of 50/60 hours per month.
I have seen numbers around the 10k figure when flying 90+ hours but my average was between 7k and 8k with about 70 to 80 hours.
That was net of local taxes, standard skipper with no training allowances, with pension, healthcare and other goodies.

My friend in Ryanair is a non-contractor trainer, flies on average 75-80 hours/month and barely makes 7k net of Irish tax without a single extra benefit.

Italian hours
 

True,
but the average Italian pilot yearly hour-count is 600 while ryanair in CIA at the moment are doing 800 (trapani 850) That puts the money in the same region, plus in Italy the roster is so hectic that you end up in uniform 21-22 days a month vs 15 in ryanair.

I am not a fan of either style to be honest, but the advantages of Italian airline vs ryanair is slimmer than in other countries.

Had I flown an average of 850 hours per year in Italy my monthly $$ would have been in the region of 8k to 9k and not under 7k like FR for the same amounts.
For what rostering and off days is concerned I used to have 10 days free of duty and an additional 4-5 days of unavailability because the contracts were protecting your days off, say you finished your duty late tonight then tomorrow would have been an unavailable day before your off day.

LCC the best !!!! in aviation = slavery system .:yuk:

Ah gee Superced, why didn't you say so sooner?

Superced = more useless bullsh1t / waste of bandwidth :mad:

What 5 Star operator are you flying for now?

From ERC meeting in DUB March 9th:

FR offered 0% pay raise, agreed was 2%. Allowance increased by 1000 EUR per year.

5/4 to remain, at least in my base (NYO).

Offering Brookfield F/Os FR contracts was discussed, nothing decided though.

And that was on basic I take it…..and not flight pay, so at the end of the day its about 1%


Now can someone please remind me what inflation was.

Great Deal :ugh:

Shocking. And that was 'agreed'??

That cannot surprise anyone, I expected nothing, & it appears i'm right?

And let's just remind ourselves (from BBC News Web site 31st Jan 2011) :-


Good innit ?


:(


PS Resignations (from a reliable source within management) are now well past the 230 mark since the beginning of the year - I wonder why ? ..................

If your contracted to brookfield and your only customer is Ryanair for a long period of time with possible clauses of you only flying for them regarding public transport hours.

Wouldn't a government tax authority either in Ireland or your home country, take a position of you being an employee of Ryanair. Also, assuming your main place of work or rather base. How come you dont pay tax in that location? Is it the whole Irish company and being employee of it.

I spend a lot of time in Norway working and offering my services in another profession. Although I live in another country, I have to pay tax also in Norway, partly because its outside of the EU.

I find it quite interesting in how this all works and assume the EU will be trying to look into this and reading a few of the threads of this forum regarding Ryanair and France etc.

Heard bases with greater than 3 aircraft currently on 5/3 are proposed 5/4. No pay raise or allowances to change. BRK rates to remain frozen. Bases on 5/4 can receive a 2% rise and 5/3. So give the pilots something that costs nothing or threaten the only real thing of value that we have to avoid paying an additional 2%. Another coup for MOL. Unreal.

There's the head,

Over there is the sand (pit).

Incredible.

For us to change to a 5/3 from 5/4 we would have to be offered at least 2% a year for the four years or so that we have forgone the pay rise in order to have the 5/4 roster. I make that at least 8 or 10% on BASIC PAY!

Remember ladies and gents, no more off day working if you're on a BRK contract without off day pay.
That's what I'll be doing anyway, as for the 2%, some nerve !

with 5/3, don't you end up with aprox 20 more working days in the end of the year? more salary? or a more relax schedule because you reach 900hrs earlier?

Alpagueur, you beat me to it. :)

It means more standbys and more time away from home, for no more money. :mad:

And what´s this about 900 hours? Do people still believe that old chestnut. Ryanair FOs do 750 on average. 800 if you´re lucky, 700 if you´re unlucky.

Yea, 5/3 would either make for a more relaxed schedule or more unavailable days at the end of the flying year. The problems are that there are lots don't live at a base, so we will actualy loose days at home each week, the other thing is if we are up to the 900 hours we will probably just be given unpaid leave. Win win for Ryanair, loose loose for us!