DEC in FR?? Last time didn't work out to well so I hear :yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk:

5/3 will happen indeed, and the next step is 5-2-5-3, which is more productive and will keep the cost down :ok:

You, as pilots flying white-blue-yellow NGs, need an union badly.

Pilot 999 is probably right when he doesn't welcome union.

Billy, there's a red warning for you on the bottom of every PPRuNe page.

Personally Im not a big fan of unions as well, but it is here the lesser of two evils. You can say you dont want the union, which will cost you 1% of your basic salary, but without the union you will lose more %'s in time and be treated like s:mad:t till eternity. And T&C will not get any better.
In all my years I never seen that happen. And if they gave something, it is only something they took from the pilots before or should have been given long time ago.

@ D O Guerrero,

what planet are you from? RYR could be a lot worse? Tell me how, because besides the 5/4 roster all the rest is already at or below the legal minima and not that great!! How many airlines did you work before to compare RYR with?

Rednex, not on the BRS rosters that i've seen!

Check that all days appear on the roster, if you have a work day, but no work or stby has been allocated, the day just gets missed out of your published roster.

Mikehotel152 states...

The contractual agreement is not between the pilot and FR but between the pilot and Brookfield. With that being said refusing to fly would be a breach of contract between the pilot and Brookfield.

An alternative is to have Brookies get together and form either an association or union. The downside is that FR would not be bound to any agreements entered into by and between the contractors or Brookfield. So at the end of the day it would be a lose lose situation.

Has anyone been to one of the meetings yet that could furnish us all with the details of whats involved?

YYZ

Pilot999 I really dont know what your on to say we dont need a union,My only guess is that your on a contract from 10 or 15 years ago and a cushy one, and that you have been permanently blinded to what goes on around you in the workplace and to your colleagues problems.
The reality is that Ryanair employ tactics to prevent us uniting but the when 5,3 arrives there is going to be so many people union or not pissed off because they cannot travel home to see there families from bases in the back arse of nowhere in which they had no option to go.
The paranoia and fear that Ryanair spread to prevent unity will not work anymore people are smarter than this.And we have had enough....

Whats involved? whats involved? I'll tell you whats involved! it's balls!!!! and whether or not we have any, because with 297 (thats right folks 297 and counting)pilots having resigned this year we have them well and truly by theres, now its time to see if we have any, because for sure they are wondering it, they will offer !!!! dressed up as chocolate and then hold there breaths and see if we take it, my advise and its what I'll be doing is telling them using language that only they understand to get :mad:, and tell them, this is what i want or you can kiss my peverbal arse good bye.

Unions!!! for :mad: sake, forget them its not going to happen. certainly not in time to get decent money this time around. Its clear as mud to me they are rattled, last 2 times around when the ball was in there court they had town hall meetings mid jan with the new "offer", this time around it's nearly mid march and not a dicky bird from them, WHY???? because they are heads in the sand. My advise, grow a pair. stop asking stupid question like, WHAT'S THE OFFER? make it happen yourself, or bend over again.

bia botal, breath a little before you pass out, I am one of the 297 that you mention.

Having an interest in what the company has to offer does not make someone an idiot, to make an informed decision you must first have all the facts, FR does tend to keep people in the dark and offering any information to people will only serve to make the resolve stronger! it is too late for me as im going but it would be good for the guys remaining.

Bia botal - where did you get the 297 figure from? I'm not disputing it - just wondering the source of the information. Is that this year (2011)? Or in the last year (ie 12 months)?

Sounds like 5/3 is rapidly coming and despite being reasonably happy over the last few years that will speed up my exit from the company.

5/3
 

Funny as it can seem, 5 3 seems a paradise to me, that i left few years back Ryanair for a 6-5 at home, and now i am on a 6-1 in Turkey!

All depends where u come from, but i see no problem for RYR to find 297 people that like 5-3

5/3 based at home isn't that bad, it becomes a problem when you are a 2 hours fly time away from home turf!
If you consider that those who left for greener pastures are either Captains of Senior F/Os it becomes quite clear that if you want to replace them you not only have to offer a decent roster but also some kind of civilized T&C....and you should see the BRK contract on offer now.....PATHETIC!

Second phone call from Rostering today.

I wonder what is happening??

I know its pathetic, i live 5 min away from CIA and i still talk to my ex collegues. The thing is, apart from BA and LH and AF, the rest became pathetic in its own special way for each country.
Imagine i live 2 hours away from Rome, have no free tickets and no consecutive days off (7 total a month), no annual leave for the first 12 months (and its a 1 year contract to start with). And they call it a MAJOR Airline.

If ryanair offers a chance to senior FO to upgrade (they need more than internal upgrade can provide) i bet lots will knock, included EXs.

So let me understand: you left the company because you didn't like it (can't blame you for that), you went somewhere else and ended up in Turkey on a crap contract in the right hand seat. Now you come here trying to convince us that since you left without finding what you were looking for then FR isn't too bad for you now? On top of that you are suggesting that FR should even re-hire people like you and train you to the left hand seat straight away?
Our senior F/Os are giving up their command to seek better and more civilized T&C's in the sandpit while you would bend over just to move to the left?

It's absolutely clear to me that your comments are purely driven by you own selfish agenda; we are trying to make this company a better place to work, get it?

Seems they are already 'plugging the holes'. Seeing an odd day here and there (european bases) appearing on my roster. Typical RYR reactive approach. It is going to be very interesting to see how the summer schedule pans out, especially on 5/3. 100 hours+ already scheduled for March! :sad:

Regarding bases, it beggars belief that there is no system to find out which bases have vacancies, and how many CPT/FO's are waiting. Each base Captain could be responsible for maintaining the list, rather than producing waste of time/bullsh#t fuel/on time leagues!

Schimples!
:ugh:

Pull the plug
 

1. Buy a cheap mobile phone and make that your contact number for Crewcontrol
2. Turn the phone off on your days off

You have the power to turn the screw, for a change.

Quite and the trouble with this Industry is that you can end up eating your words!

I don't understand all this talk about buying a second mobile phone? When crew control called me recently to work an off day i told them "nope, busy, sorry"....they can go and **** themselves as far as i'm concerned.