Flybe future recruitment???
 

Hi all,

Being an airline recruitment geek, I have noticed the flybe recruitment page has been up dated.

It now states new entrants will have a min of 90% average in your ATPL examinations and be one stop modular etc if applying from that route.

Am I being ambitious thinking if they have taken the time to change the website some recruitment might be looming???:)

Who knows? Anyone who says anything different is only speculating. You can only second guess in this game, they'll recruit when they're good and ready.

D777

Where did you see this new information? Link please?

Flybe.com | Careers at Flybe

It's changed in the last few days....

Why have they stipulated 90% ATPL pass rate? Because they can. They don't need lots of pilots at this time. No doubt when they do this requirement will disappear.

90% averages! WOW. I have my JARs on Monday. Not likely to be getting 90s average though! :(

don't forget that flybe will pay you 15% average (compared to decent airlines) ;):yuk:

90 % ??? Would Flybe also have any set requirements on which question bank you are aloud to use.

Until very recently the website was still listing Norwich as a crew base (it closed 18 months ago) so it was certainly due for an update. The timing may not be a coincidence, however. I would not be surprised if crystal balls and tea leaves are being pored over in Exeter, and they are at least considering the possibility of significant recruitment in the not too distant.

There's a fair bit of smoke and mirrors about just where the dozens of new E175s will be based - which may not be entirely unconnected with current pay negotiations :hmm: - but wherever they end up, there is little doubt that long term plans are for serious fleet expansion. Factor in the traditional rush for the exit whenever the job market picks up, and one doesn't need Hercule Poirot to work out why the recruitment page is suddenly bang up to date.

As for when it will happen, your guess is as good as mine. Personally I'd wait for BA to start DEP recruitment and start the stopwatch . . .

Could anybody please comment on when or if the requirement for training to have been completed at a single FTO will go...for all us wannabes out there who didn't take that particular route! :)

I must admit I was under the impression the requirement for one stop modular has been a requirement for a while now.

They have decided on what they are looking for and who can blame them! In the current climate they can afford to be. I'm sure they would get more than enough people who meet the stipulated requirement's.

Let's hope they open the doors soon!

One stop shop.
 

Pilots with airline experience have demonstrated they are capable of passing a type rating course and operating the aircraft out on the line. 200hr recruits on the other hand are a training risk. They have to pass the hurdles of groundschool, the simulator, base training and then line training, and the only way of differentiating one applicant from another is their CV and performance at assessment.

Many airlines choose to transfer that risk entirely to the trainee, and get them to pay for the type rating themselves. Flybe, to their great credit, are still prepared to fund the type rating, and simply bond people for 3 years. It is only natural that the recruitment department will do everything they can to reduce the risk of failure, and one way of doing this is to have an easily verifiable training record to hand. That is much easier if the applicant either went integrated or completed their modular CPL and IR at one school (note that ATPL theory exams and the PPL aren't part of the equation).

It's a system that seems to work well, and allows modular students as much chance of landing a job as integrated ones. I would imagine that the requirement would only be revisited if there was a serious shortage of suitable applicants, and that's not going to happen any time soon - if ever.

I applied to them about a year and a half ago just after completing my training (one stop modular) and got nothing. I since have gained TP experience.
Last week I mailed my updated CV to them. A day later on 01/09. I received this reply:

Thank you for your email. We are not recruiting at present and at this time I have no indication of when recruitment will start again. Following our recent news regarding our new jet fleet and Finnair, I am not aware of any immediate change to our recruitment needs. We have Holding Pools for any vacancies that occur in the near future. May I suggest you keep a check on our website as we will be posting regular recruitment updates.

Thank you for your interest in Flybe.

Kind regards,

Yep, they sure do. Not sure how many pools there are now. I applied just over 2 years ago from one of their recommended modular FTO's. We then went through the sim check and got the thumbs up but hey presto recession bit! Still waiting with no real indication of when things will start to move again :sad:

Its no great surprise at all that they are now officially stipulating >90% in ATPL writtens to be considered. Even two years ago, they were very selective with regard to applicants from affiliated modular FTO's. Bottom line is they wanted high % passes in the writtens and ideally first time / first series IR and CPL. Of course they may have been exceptions, but this is old news really.

As has been noted, in the dry baron wasteland that is the aviation employment market, they can afford to be choosey.

Thanks for your replies all - whilst the one stop shop requirement is a headache for me, I can see why it'd made sense from an employers perspective...can't blame them. Back to interview questions & technique study :ok:

I would imagine all these kinds of extra requirements will be dropped if or when there is any kind of recruitment boom. The sheer number of cv's that will be dropping through their letterbox will mean its a full time job for someone to sort through them. If they do look at all of them which I doubt.

The website update is also to help the flotation. Previously it was referring to old information - e.g. 06 payscales, Norwich (Don't mention bases which couldn't work, when their growth forecast shows such high forecast growth). This looks clumsy when you're trying to get a decent price for an airline in the current climate.

What sort of money does Flybe pay new recruits. Just qualified.

Curiously enough it's all here on their website, under the section entitled "Pilot Payscales"
Flybe.com | Careers | Pilots | Pay scales

Don't forget Flybe have firm orders for 35 Embraer 170's to fuel expansion into Europe.

Historically, Flybe also have had high turnover with crews. They are currently wrestling with crew discontent over pay and lifestyle issues, see other threads, and if recruitment starts in earnest across the UK airlines expect to see a lot of movement again.

It's more a case of when it happens, not if. Unless the issues above are sorted of course.... But it'll always be a 'training' airline, and that's a shame.

With the Finnair deal on hold will flybe really start recruiting any time soon, or do they have enough crew and cadets coming through to manage through the winter months?

With orders for 35 aircraft plus, and rumours of people leaving surely they need to open the doors soon?:ugh::ugh:

For DEP the answer is no. The only new people that will be joining the company over the winter are MPL cadets with the first batch I believe on the TR phase and the next batch starting their TR at the end of the year. We do seem to be short of Q400 Capt's at the moment but do not expect to see any DEC recruitment to solve this. Yes we do have the E170's on order but the fleet will still be relatively small even in 12 months time so there will not be any mass recruitment to offset guys moving from the Q400 at least at the start. Finally although there are a lots of people who will not doubt leave when things do start to pick up, as it stands at the moment very few people are leaving. In the last 12 months I think I have moved about 10 odd places up the seniority list. I did that within the first 2 months when I first joined.

If airlines start to open up recruitment again in the not to distant future and there is a large exit of experienced FO and Capt, then you will probably see DEP joining again as well as cadets.

Recruitment is inevitable
 

Rest assured recruitment in Flybe is inevitable. Virtually every F/O and a high proportion of Captains want to move on when opportunities arise further up the food chain. I personally know several F/O's with applications in at Jet 2, most would jump at Easy if they start offering DEP and some are off to the Middle East already.

I wouldn't be surprised if the doors open again arter Christmas.

Desk-pilot (NB I am just a line pilot)

2 friends are now flying with Flybe. They averaged 95%. They did mention the other candidates all averaging well above 90% with 14 first time passes, too.

Good job I didn't twiddle my thumbs too much in the classroom :p

I loved the ATPLs! I miss those days.. ahhh

wow, as a 2 yr FO with RYR I make pretty much the same as a 17 yr Q400 Capt- no thanks!

wow, is that before or after you've paid for your training, uniform, pass, car parking, water, tax, NI, accountants fees, etc, etc, etc. :O

And work for someone who says I can be replaced by a cabin crew member......

VJW

I'd rather live in a cave, cut off my own legs, marry Susan Boyle and smother by bellend in deep heat than work for that harp playing devil.

To be fair CC, I thought the last one was on your hobby list already! :p

Dammit, I've been found out :E

Simply put. My gross money is similar to a 17 yr flyby capt. I paid my type rating, but flybe bond you for 3 years for a type rating no where near as useful as a 737.

I don't mind working for the devil, last month gross pay was 9600 euro. Not bad for 2 yr fo.

Not the best company, but everyone pays for their own training up until a type rating, difference is, ryr pay me well enough to pay it off. Flybe pay is less them most half decent office jobs.

Probably a reason why no rye pilots would ever apply to flybe. However I know plenty who've gone the other direction. Again there's a reason for that.

Sorry for going off topic.

VJW, 9,300 huh? Please elaborate on that figure. Max flying hours, as far as I'm concerned, is 100 / 28 consecutive days. I wasn't aware of a recent payrise in RYR.

Even IF your gross pay is that much (if it is I envy you as it is a whole lot more than I get, despite all the benefits I get to enjoy) there are plenty of guys in your outfit NOT even making a fraction of that. Just see the other thread where people are telling of being rostered for a generous two flights in a whole month! Trouble in RYR is some seem to get lucky (at least that's what they claim publicly in an anonymous Internet platform), but many absolutely ain't.

As a yr2 FO at RYR I very much doubt he is actually a Ryanair employee - merely a self-employed 3rd party contractor who can be disposed of at will. As much as I detest that grubby airline, it's something I hope it's pilots never discover the hard way.

Not a position I would ever want to be in with someone as temperamental as MOL for a 'boss', but if you're a whore for money you're gonna get f...............!

Hi

I'm not denying I paid a lot for my type rating, but the point I'm making now is my pay net (I do pay my tax) us still similar to flyby capt. Yes, the guys I know are captains that have switched to Ryanair. Probably because they didn't enjoy a ryr fo making more money then them.

In my case I joined ryr only owing 10k as I worked hard in full time employment while training. Ryr seemed like the best option for my case and only owing 40k with type rating and job seemed like a good career choice for my case.

Whichever way you look at it flybe would have been a significant pay cut fromthe job I was in, and while it shouldn't be all about money, I believe flyby pilots are under paid. You may still get your money with 20 hrs in the month, however even if I do 20 hours as briokfield I bet I end up with more. Last month I did 100 (yes we work our balls off).

On the flipside, don't critics ryr so much you may need them one day :)

Last month 40 hours normal rate of 80.5/hr = 3600 ish
Plus 60 hours out if base at normal rate plus out of base pay which is 20/hr extra = 6000 (total 9600 ish)

Again it's not this every month, so I don't spend that every month, but this is how I can now afford my month off ;)

Fair enough. However, that's not the norm for every RYR FO. And as you yourself already admitted it's not the norm for you either.

With regards to the Flybe deal, yes, agreed, they might not get paid as much as you do. On the other hand, they do have all the goodies on top of their SALARY an airline pilot should have given the skills aquired and investment made.

IMHO, the big difference between RYR and established airlines is they (RYR) leave it entirely up to the individual what to do with his pay whereas other airlines pay a lower salary but remunerate stuff on top. But let's not forget there are a lot of guys at RYR not even getting paid that in the slow months and badly struggling to make end's meet. I'm real glad I did not have to take that route.

Personally, I favor having a salary less yours but an employer making the investment of paying for my TR and paying me when I get sick, take leave, etc. Let's not forget, the more a company invests in you the less likely they are to show you the door unless they really have to.

So, without lucking in to that 60 hours your months pay for that month and your month off would be 1800Euros per month. Impressive.

How do you get on with McNamara? I'm sure the fees are worth it.

I'm not sure I understand this properly.

Are you saying, with a completely straight face, that you have to pay to be paid? What kind of person is 'happy' to do that?!

LSM

That is exactly right.

Coffin Corner
 

Im not a Brookie myself but I can tell you for sure that a Brookfield fo on the top rate at Ryanair doing 650 to 700 hours a year will be on a lot more than a flybe senior FO. And me for that matter.

And I know quite few Flybe guys. The story is always the same. The company is a great company to work for, but the money isnt in it. All top guys might I add..