I am so disappointed with the CC and with BALPA, it seems that BALPA can't/won't send in their negociating "big" boys to flight man against man, and our CC are putty in the managements hands. Men against boys, of course we know who will win!

Has anyone considered the CC are about to go in for the kill but playing there cards close to there chests? I presume to prevent confidential and sensitive ammo ending up on this very website???? :D

Burpot well said.

The CC members I have spoken to give exactly that impression, the conciliation meetings with ACAS are a formality, I hope for our managers sake they see the error of their ways and increase the offer.

Nuff said.

And not just in terms of pay and scheduling Bullet! (See below :E )

BBC News - German insurer Munich Re held orgy for salesmen

Min requirements for FlyDubai 737 jobs now...
 

... First Officers - must have 2,500 hours total flying time, of which 1,000 hours must have been gained on modern (EFIS) multi-crew, multi-engine aircraft over 10 tonnes operating weight

Good luck to any Dash FO's who fancy cash, sand and flying a jet?!

Also, good luck to Flybe keeping the crewing levels up.

From the flydubai website: First Officers - approximately AED 38,700 per month = £6,500

Don't forget, that is 'all-in'... so your housing/bills/travel etc have to come out of that.

(still nice tho!)

Can anyone give a clue what the living costs are like in Dubai?
Not interested in Flash Pads and flash cars, just a comfortable lifestyle!
Out of that £6500 what can be stashed away!

salsaboy

My housing/travel/bills etc and tax has to come out of £2,800 per month as a year 4 F/O. I'd say £6,500 p/m tax free? Is pretty bloody good if I may say so.

I agree, it's much better than our salary... I was ensuring people didn't conclude the money is better than other middle eastern carriers who provide/pay for housing THEN give you a tax-free income!
Someone I spoke to who's been at FlyDubai for a while now prefers it this way as you get more choice where to live.
It's not for everyone, but certainly sounds quite attractive.

getting shafted
 

guys
for goodness sake .................. this thread is going the wrong way .Talking about other places to fly and the amount of money you can earn . Shame on everyone !! Go and talk about that elsewhere. People are leaving and ive heard 5 "E first officers " have handed in there notice and are going to gulf air. The company hinted on redundancies when responding to this dispute, and now are looking in the flybe holding pool for more pilots !! Who are gullible and who are now taking the p*ss . Its so obvious now what has to happen !!!

Aware of a good 10 off to gulf and several others off to other pastures already. This before other uk doors open and the more that get e jet ratings the more saleable they will become!

I see the recruitment pages have been redone and those still interested have been asked to reapply.
Yes we need to stand and fight for our lives, but I'm afraid the inevitable evacuation will occur once other doors open.
Management know this and I reckon it's another reason why they refuse to pay proper industry rates and improve lifestyle.

So much for redundancies, I see online recruitment has started up again - the flybe propaganda machine is crumbling!

It's starting to look like 2004/2005 all over again. Only now the directors are answerable to the shareholders - which incidentally includes a lot of us.

How long could we tolearate losing 10% of the workforce every month? How robust is our training system to process the new pilots required to make good this shortfall on top of recurrent training? How many flights can we operate without having to pair up N-rated Captains & FOs? How many CatII revals & max cosswind sim exercises will be dropped to shore up the creaking system? How many cancelled flights will that lead to this winter? And how many trainers will hang up their hats on the back of the workload required?

Did the accountants even attempt to factor in the value of pilot goodwill before they gave the board their dubious sums? Looking doubtful.

Who'll give me favourable odds of a substantial change to the make up of the board following our first AGM?

All the wet leasing they had to get in. I think at one point we had four on the go at once..

When can we start bidding again?

That is one area where the coffers are truly running dry. I for one won't be helping out with refuse-able duties and working days off and I'm a skint FO. I urge all my colleagues to do the same.

skint here 2 but not selling my soul!
everybody should do the same...
I heard some F/Os off to Greece again, they are crazy the company is making loads of money off them.

Yeah, running off to the sun to be treated like grown ups and collect extra allowances. They must need their heads looking at. :rolleyes:

gearupsflapsupshutup You must also be CRAZY your based in the uk flying the dash for peanuts the company is expoliting you!