Hi all,

do u know what kind of things they're checking during the medical examination at Lufthansa ? As we're all supposed to have a class 1 medical, i am wondering...

thanks, and good luck !

Captains too?
 

Hi folks,

Are they currently looking for captains too or just for FO?

And could you anybody make it clear, do we all need an Italian education diploma or just an equivalent?

Thank you,

FM

As I have said many times before, they are looking for FOs only, as captains will initially be from Lufthansa in Germany...

Medical Class 1 does surely help...

Given the fact that Italian is not mandatory, I wonder how one can have an Italian diploma without speaking the language :hmm: Equivalent is, of course, fine as well. Language in the cockpit will be English, due to the fact that pilots are hired from different countries.

8,000 hrs / 5 different authorities ATPLs / three type ratings / not accident or inci
 

I don't see anybody in this forum showing own's qualifications off all the time, this is what I call a very egocentric one.

I agree with you 1975, not fitting in anywhere but not only because of looking always for better conditions elsewhere but also for the personality. It is very easy to recognize anybody's from his first talking.

At least for others trying to get a seat in this company it's good to hear that, as a good example for their lives and careers, of what not to become. :=

By the way, even though not all German people are that good as expected, we all have to admit that their average is quite high above others, may not be in many areas, but in no case at all we have to believe ourselves to be the best ones, and therefore the only ones who deserve a job...also Germans are good like many others.

Anyway, getting back to the main topic, from a very reliable source of info inside, medical test is as normal as its 1st class, italian is preferable but not required. more chances at the interview if not having a current job, as long as he/she complies with the rest of requirements (nothing of big number of hrs flown required to fly these computers), as to mainly cover for FO positions and FOs as future Captains. thus, willing to signing long term bonds only and being normal...

Best of luck to all,

Is this true...?? :{ Even for a very poor turboprop pilot? :uhoh:

Anyway, first step is to pass the terrific DLR... :cool:

They are looking for pretty new FOs without MCC and so on that they can then train according to the LH beliefs. But give it a try!

Thank you for your reply, this is very bad news for me, I hope I am not wasting my time studying all the test. :(
I know that only few pass the dlr, 5% or so, but I can't imagine the frustration if I incredibly manage to pass DLR and sim, and then I fail the interview because I have some experience.... :ugh:
Well, I will sure give it a try....

If they invite you for the test, it shows that you are the target group. Try to think about all the positive aspects your carrier had, by giving you more experience and so on and then sell that to the comittee at the interview. Be confident (but not too much)!

Ok greenpilots, got the message, thank you :ok:

Anyway, it's an opportunity more unique then rare, I'll do my best.
First step...DLR! :cool:

I have read somewhere that there is the possibility to do some training, apart the CBT and Skytest which I have, by paying, is this convenient? Have you heard about this?
My averages are not so bad, just the memory stuff is making me mad like hell... :\

There are a number of training programs for the German ab-initio test. I haven't done it myself, but about 2/3 of all wannabee pilot students that make it through the DLR test, have done that. It is never a guarantee for anything and opinions range from "absolute waste of money" to "would have never made it without it". I don't know if they offer classes for the LHI DLR...

Try to contact the following for further info, if you are interested:

ToPilots - Professionelle Vorbereitung auf den Lufthansa Einstellungstest und Pilotentest (I know that they offer training for the DLH ready entry test)
S&P Training - Das DLR-Test-Seminar - Startseite
dlr dlr-test dlrtest pilotentest einstellungstest lufthansatest fluglotse flugbegleiter dlr dlr-test dlrtest pilotentest einstellungstraining für piloten fluglotsen und flugbegleiter DLR-Test (not the best reputation, but webiste also in English!)

Hi Guys,

Just sent my application in and I was wondering
how long from submitting the application until receiving the call/email to attend the Dlr test normally takes from your experience so far?

Regards

WB

Interesting comments regarding LI in Aviation Week Magazine
 

Just read from an Aviation Week article (week of August 16, 2010) about Lufthansa Italia and Alitalia (financial results not so good in the market for either company). The interesting paragraphs regarding Lufthansa Italia are as follows:

"According to Birlenbach, Lufthansa Italia is looking at adding regional jets that it could use to complement the network on thinner routes for which its A319s are too big. She also does not rule out introducing long-haul services, but that will happen once a bigger European network is established. Today, 20% of Lufthansa Italia's passengers connect through Malpensa."

Another intersting line from the article:

"Lufthansa Italia is also burdened by legacy costs: it is paying for group overhead it does not need and its aircraft are flown by Lufthansa mainline pilots..... Birlenbach says the airline is starting to recruit pilots on the international market who will be paid to local standards well below the Lufthansa pay levels. It is also building up its in-house administration to make it less dependent on corporate support."

Heike Birlenbach is the Managing Director of Lufthansa Italia. Again, I quoted these lines directly from the article. Discuss....

DLR Test for LHI
 

Hello, I would like to know if the DLR test for LH Italia is in english or in german? I know the DLR test for Sunexpress is all in english, so I thought that the DLR test for LH Italia might just be in english... can anybody confirm?
Thanks
6to8

Of course it is English, why would it be in German...?

The information of the article does not seem to be up to date. I can remember reading the exactly same words about a year ago. 20% pax changing airplanes in MXP? I don't think so... Smaller jets? Most probably not operated by LHI, if used at all. Current plans are to operate around 6-8 A319s for which aircraft are secured. Cheaper Pilots? Definitly!

Hei GreenPilots,

I read your post regarding time to command, and It seems that new joiners will need to wait 42 month before upgrade. Do you think the rule will be changed in the future considering that Italian CAA seems to put a new requirements for local AOC that will be granted only if all the pilots speak Italian?

thanks
azdriver

I want to see that rule being applied, I am sure the other European countries are not gonna like it. Can't imagine this taking place... Even if, there will be ways to pass a language test (and if it by learning the language).

Anyway, you never know how things might change, BUT all ops and procedures are supervised by the LH mainline safety pilot and the German pilot union (or its counterparts in the company). Therefore I do not see, why the 42 months/3000 hrs rule should/can be changed. Until now, LH was a company that you stayed with for your whole life! Nobody normally made it under 10 years from the right to the left seat and once structures at LHI are established, I can imagine that things might be similar. So if you want to become captain in the fast line, sit in the right seat for a short while now or go elsewhere. That will propably be your only chance with LHI for some time.

GreenPilots,

thanks for the answer. That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for. So, to clear things further, the requirements are:

1) 42 month with the company

2) 3000 hrs company time

One, more thing: the commands will go, for the first 2 years to DLH pilots?

Thanks for clarifing this...

Regards
azdriver

ps: there is a formal proposition in the transport commission of the lower and higher chamber for Italian speaking pilots on italian AOC, this is to advert what happened recently wth foreign carriers obtaining AOC with no Italian speaking pilots and not hiring any Italian speaking pilots. I do not know if will pass but, still it's something interesting to watch

Thanks
 

Thanks Green... I do appreciate it! As well, are all the FOM/AOM written in english? I can speak conversational Italian... my wife was born and raised in Sicily, so I hear it everyday at home! Is there an age limit for entry in LH Italia? The last I heard is that the EU has forbidden age limits in hiring now, so LH can no longer limit the intake of pilots to only the youngest. Is there any truth to this?
Thanks again and please keep all constructive info coming!
Cheers
6to8

Hi all,

minimum stay for the LH mainline pilots is three years. If you need 3000 hrs in the company and you will get about 700-800 maximum (!) hrs a year, you can easily calculate that for yourself :ok:

@DHC6to8: I will say it once again: Language in the cockpit is English, test is in English, Italian is not required. Now the million Euro question: Will all the papers and documents be in English??

One more thing about the newspaper article: Yes, LHI has some overhead costs at the moment, due to the German crews flying (however passengers love them - never experienced on-time flights with such a service with Alitalia...). Still, LH Germany is paying for part of the marketing, routes assessment, the infrastructure behind many things (e.g. booking website). There is no reason to complain from their side...

Lufthansa Italia pay scale
 

I have just received an email with the T&C for LH Italia.

This is the pay scale,

Contratto Colletivo Aziendale Lavoro – Lufthansa Italia S.p.A
Example - average sample calculation - (gross) :

(First Officer, first year)*:
55h, 40 sectors: €2700 + ca. €480 allow
80h, 57 sectors: €3524 + ca. €720 allow
95h, 68 sectors: €4433 + ca. €820 allow
(First Officer, fifth year)*:
55h, 40 sectors: €3540 + ca. €480 allow
80h, 57 sectors: €4503 + ca. €720 allow
95h, 68 sectors: €5823 + ca. €820 allow