pilots stealing to survive?
 

have you seen pilots stealing form their company, or stealing sandwich from their plane?

I know ryanair don't want flight crews to recharge cell phone?
what can you steal in a cockpit?

Terms and conditions in our industry have been dragged down enough as it is these days, do we really need posts like this that drag this web site down as well?

(If this was in originally posted in JetBlast..I might grasp the "humour"):ugh:

Try the right hand seat. Expect to be robbed yourself though of anything up to 30 grand in the process. :mad:

taking home a crew meal or drink is not stealing my friend... We do it all the time and is normal. It is part of your overall salary package and is thrown away if not consumed and left in the aircraft.

Quite wrong. Anything you take out of the plane is stolen, no matter how worthless it may seem to be. Even if it's otherwise trash, including unused meals (unless you carry them inside your stomach).
Perhaps your airline doesn't mind, but I know of a case where somebody got fired for picking up the left-over chocolate bars from passengers' trays out of the galley.

Pilot friend worked Iraqi Airways many moons ago. Didnt get paid so nicked somwthing expensive from the plane (747) followed by a swift exit of the country:\

I grew up, knowing there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

I was teached wrong.

Chin

Despegue: check your contract and your staff handbook. You may well find that it is specifically forbidden to take anything from the aeroplane on pain of dismissal. My contract included that. If you can get away with it in your stomach all well and good, but many companies now charge for all refreshments except water.

Since it sounds "normal" in our industry to pay for a type rating, one day I like to steal an IRS panel, another day it s the APU and at the end it covers the costs. Fair enough, and thanks ebay...

Nothing written in our manuals..... it is considered "religiously forbidden" to waste food, therefore we "don't steal" it, we utilize it!

Look at the clear skin of our flight attendants and you will see where most of the cavier goes :):)

How sad.... we are catered even for ferry flights :)

Mutt

Souvenirs
 

Well some important families have removed all the towels from the world's most important planes...the USAF presidential fleet... over the years..for souvenirs.

That's how close to the u-bend the lot of a pilot is in the UK Mutt. Regrettably.

Nightfire,

I think you may find that you indeed are quite wrong. You'll find that anything put on board FOR YOU is yours to do with as you please. That doesn't include chocolate given to the passengers and then left behind. But if it's on your tray or whatever you may eat it, bin it trouser it, it or throw it in the trash-your choice-it's yours.

Ryanair and their silly ways of getting everyone to pay for everythng are, of course something else. Perhaps you should fly with the nav lights off so that the electricity saved could charge your phone. Barmy, and what a subject to be discussing:ugh:

Sygyzy, You might joke about flying around with nav lights off (by Day) but Flybe already have that written into their SOP's. They calculate it saves them in the region of £70,000 per year. Not a bad idea if you ask me.

Ive heard that a particular low cost airline in the uk, not easy or ryanair, have now rewritten the pilot contract to reserve the right to frisk you and search your bags at any time whilst on duty. This is apparently done by a trained person....

Perhaps if these scumbag airlines started charging people an appropriate airfare and then paid the staff appropriate salaries then people would not feel the need to bolster their pitiful income.

I do not condone it but I am most certainly not suprised.

Some of the '18 something' self-type rated FO's might be hoping that their virginity gets stolen by one of the cabin crew?

Hudson Bay...
 

How can you condone anything that reduces your visual footprint for such little gain? £70k pa against all their movements means it saves probably less than £1 per flight.

I can save more than that per flight through airmanship, and still have all my available lighting on to increase my visibility - TCAS is great, but I still like to look out the window, and believe in see and be seen.

I have heard of quite allot of theft of late only the other week another flight crew had there dignity stolen by the airline, however due to the T&C's they had agreed to work under they had to just put up with it.

Maybe I went to school in the wrong era, but Theft and Dignity are just not synonymous with each other. We are supposed to be Professionals. Don't morals mean anything anymore?

If its provided for you and the company doesn't say you can't take it with you, then its not theft is it.

If, on the other hand, the company require you to pay for the item, or not take it with you, then it would be.

I'm lucky enough to work for one of the ones that says the food provided for your consumption is yours... you may eat it wherever you please. Whether or not it is edible at all is an entirely different story...

I agree. By day when was there ever an occasion that observing the nav lights on an approaching aircraft was the first time you saw it coming ? Even by night the usual practice of having landing lights blazing away below Fl100 means the true purpose of the nav lights is obscured i.e. to be able to judge the relative orientation of the other aircraft. Turn them off and save the planet!

Yeah quite right,nav lights are waste of time during the day unless you grubbing around in a cessna under the overcast.

My only fear is forgetting to turn em on when it gets dark

We fly exclusively day VFR in a caravan, yet our SOPs call for Nav lights to be ON as part of the Taxi checks :eek:

I reallly couldnt tell you why...

Phew, fair bit of thread drift ere, which I will continue by adding . . .the first company I remember introducing this justified it in the name of supposedly enhancing the awareness of catering truck drivers, and the likes, of the extremity of that big aluminium plank stuck on each side.
I could always see the point at night, but during the day ? If they couldn't see 50ft of wing, what chance a little "fairy light" in bright sunlight :hmm:

In the meantime it seems to have been pretty widely adopted as a kind of "aircraft (& occupants :zzz: ) alive" signal, in the same way as an anti-coll means engines running, or will be soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if a large part of it is merely that they don't trust us to remember to put them on when it gets dark though. :rolleyes: