Ryan Air pilots
 

I would be interested to know of any recently qualified Ryan pilots. This is not a thread to beat up on Ryan or debate SSTR. I am just wanting to know how much flying the newly qualified 737 jock are getting each month. And how this reflects in monthly salary and basing?
Thanks in advance to all and happy landings
Ace
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Nothing???????? :confused:

Expect 650 to 700hrs a year as an fo. Rostering are good at dividing up the hours between people. Fo's at smaller/quieter bases can expect to be sent to other bases on occassions to raise their yearly average.

Capts fly 850 to 900hrs a year.

Hey just wondering where you got this figure from, since you're in LA. I don't want to be mean, I just want to trust the info I read.

Thanks

This a rumour network, however, if you did your homework on RYR properly there are many people, from many countries and many backgrounds working there.

The total rostered flying you receive depends on many factors, unit cost (how much Ryanair pay brookfield for you services) base, seasonal requirements,training requirements, sickness, can you fly with a newly promoted captain, etc etc.

A new guy can expect 600 hours at this horrendous time for aviation, but that is just my opinion.

I will do at least 800 hours this year - but I am not a co-pilot.

Good luck, but be prepared to be totally alone with you worries.

Kudos to you chaps who stick it out with all that debt.

You'll earn a lot more in your first year at RYR than newly qualified lawyers and accountants, and they pay for their own 'uniform', food and travel too.

In addition, Ryanair contract pilots are entitled to set-off work related expenses against tax liability and generally pay little tax in the first year due to the cost of the Type Rating and associated training costs.

MH152

I am thinking of doing it. I have put eight years hard working into getting a fATPL as a self improver and four years as an FI. The industry has changed massively since I started out and the only way to get that a job now seems to be to pay for it.

It sucks, I don't make the rules of the game, I am just playing it.

Unfortunately that is the name of the game. Lots of people before you have taken the bait and many more will follow, me included. Good luck with your application.

It's the old saying "Don't hate the player....Hate the game!" Again, to all those people, young wannabe's who have been trying to get into the industry don't want to spend 40k to get into FR....However when other airlines want experience, so you can get a job there, the only other place to get the experience to get another job is through FR.
Nature of the beast at the moment, we would all love to have been sponsored, and have our TR payed for while receiving a wage at the same time, but those days are gone. Good luck one and all
Ace
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:ugh: FR is not the only way!

Flybe dashes ahead with new pilot recruitment

Leading regional airline signs on 16 new pilots fresh from leading flight schools

Flybe, one of Europe’s largest regional airlines and the UK’s number one domestic carrier, has welcomed 16 new pilots from its own sponsored pilot recruitment programme to undergo a familiarisation/induction course for its Q400 fleet, included amongst which are three recruits from the South West.

The intake flies in the face of current global aviation activity where many airlines are shedding rather than hiring pilots as a direct result of the economic climate. Flybe’s programme operates in conjunction with a number of training schools across Europe and demonstrates its commitment to high quality training as it continues to recruit from flight schools that include Flight Training Europe, Jerez, Cabair College of Air Training at Cranfield and Oxford Aviation Academy.

Flybe’s unique relationship with its partner Flight Training Schools brings hope to many potential pilots looking for the opportunity to realise their dreams.

Ian Baston, Chief Pilot for Flybe comments; “Flybe seeks out the best pilots in the industry to help us continue deliver a first-class flight experience. To this end, we have built solid relationships with a number of leading flight schools across Europe and are always on the look-out for new talent to bolster our teams. We’re looking forward to helping our 16 new pilots embark on a long and successful career with us.”

Mike Rutter, Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer, comments; “We are delighted to be strengthening our flight team with the recruitment of the new Pilots. It’s great to know that we have some of the best talent in the industry coming on board to help us to grow the Flybe brand. At a time when other airlines are tightening their belts and feeling the impact of tough trading conditions, Flybe continues to recruit.”

Check their website... We have no immediate requirement for pilots. I know friends who are Flybe cadets that finished last October, who are waiting to join, and been told will be MAYBE this year, more likely next year. Thats 9 of them...as well as another 6 or 7 from the same school this year. Then Flybe also have the MPL people qualifying this year and other sponsored cadets.
So Flybe won't be an option really!!

It's Ryanair for Chrissake Murdock...
 

..at least get the name right! :ugh:

Funny how "Crookfield" a.k.a Brookfield are still telling new joiners there gonna get 850hrs per year!! Reality is 600-650hrs, everyone is in the same boat and if your a newbie coming in be prepared for it.. some are under the impression that 850 is the norm!!!

Expect to be kept busy during the Line Training with possibly no standbys and a sporadic roster working around availability of LTC's.

After line training and when line checked hours decrease and standbys increase this is a FACT.

Expect to fly more during the summer and less during the winter with a possibility of 2 or 3 consecutive standbys a week on occasions during winter months.

Also expect your roster pattern to be shared with a cadet if you are in a training base (which most are) meaning you will be safety pilot getting the normal rate until the cadet is safety pilot released, then you will be put on standby possibly for 5 days of your week on as the cadet shares your roster.

Remember as a new joiner you will need to be trained the same as everyone else when they join, however when your training is complete understand that new cadets will be entering the system and they will also need to be trained therefore sharing your roster is the norm..



JJ

Could someone inform me if it is easier to get hired as cadet if I do the MCC at SAA.
If I go to the SAA website, the say that the preferred way to enter the Ryanair type qualification program is through the Ryanair MCC course.

I know people who joined and did not do the Ryanair MCC.

Shame the website does not tell you what you actually get paid :)

Is this true? And can you carry this forward. My understanding was that the cost vocational training was not an allowable item of expenditure to offset against tax (although I think it should be) or is this allowable because of a self-employed status? I'm curious.

PM

Why does Ryanair ask to transfer your license to Ireland after 6 months? If you have a EASA license, do you really need to do this?

The initial poster asked about hours once on line. You can't and never will be able to put a precise figure on it so NEVER ever budget on a particular number of hours per annum. There are too many variables which invariably lead to an average of anywhere between 600 to 750 hours per year. Too many to go into I'm afraid, however a few guys on here have already touched on these.

Accept that firstly you, the SSTR, are a source of income for Ryanair. Get this around your head and then you will understand why you are flying anything between 600-750 hours per year instead of the regulated (and once the norm in FR) 900 hours.

This eats a load of people up (generally the ones who believe they will fly A). 900 hours, B). be based where they want to be and finally C) have a command in 4 years).

Unfortunately 'A' doesn't happen any more and probably never will for FOs. 'B' is down to luck if anything, however for many it will generally happen after a year or two; providing you keep your nose clean! C) with rostered hours dropping the years to the left seat are going to increase. O'Leary has already spoken about running the airline for cash and paying out the shareholders. It has to happen some time!

Acepilotmurdock,

Were you not a flybe ptc cadet previously?

JiffaJaffa
 

Your statement is how it's ALWAYS WORKED mate in just about any airline.....


Expect to be kept busy during the Line Training with possibly no standbys and a sporadic roster working around availability of LTC's. Yes, well that's because there's no point in you being in standby, because you're useless until checked out...and frankly, until checked you're unimportant. That's true in BA, VS, CX, EK.... all airlines are the same. As a useless 200 Hour Cadet. Until line checked as proficient line FO.

Expect to fly more during the summer and less during the winter with a possibility of 2 or 3 consecutive standbys a week on occasions during winter months. So, just like Charter? Try 2 or 3 weeks of standby in a row....


If you want to complain, then fine, but :eek:check what life's really like as a Pilot first (for those with an enquiring mind...it's sh1t). As I've already told AcePilotMurdock.

Four years an an FI and I do another job to boot to pay my bills. I just about cover everything every month. They way I see it the only way into an airline now is to SSTR. It's not going to change. It is to big a revenue stream.

Right now I feel I might as well got a loan for £30k and be skint flying a 737 instead of a 152. And if it all goes wrong you go to the magistrates court, declare bankruptcy and the banks don't get their money back. It's a dog eat dog world.

Make sure you can get the money before you need it, but don't sign up for the loan until the Ryanair job is in the bag. Just having the money is not the way you get in. It's not easy. However, if you do get in then you'll be way ahead on salary over instructing before too long.

Yup I was a Flybe cadet.

Ace

Ace
 

What happened? I'm not having a go. Just interested.

Failed to get a 90% average on the ATPL exams
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What an absolute load of crap. Sorry but just because you dont attain a 90 percent average in those god foresaken exams doesn't mean you should be deemed unsuitable to fly a Dash for Flybe.


Have you got fixed up since?

Nope still looking....all first time passes at skills tests and atpl exams..however I am like all the other FATPL people, its tough times...hope we all get jobs ,anyone who has got there deserve a job for all the work put in.

Good luck to all
Ace
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I'm sorry to hear that Ace, was that 90% pass rate part of the deal before you signed up? I totally agree that its nonsense that you should need a 90% pass rate considering that 90% of the content of the atpl exams is absolute waffle anyway.

No we were told Flybe would like 85% but was not set in stone, although i was nt really bothered about that. I did my best at them to get the best result I could, and achieved that with first time passes and a very good average. I am not naturally gifted at exams so have to work very hard to gain reasonable exam results.

So could I get a 90% average if I sat the exams again... honestly probably not. I am a great believer that things happen for a reason, cliche as that is I do believe that.

I was also a victim of circumstance...excess pilots in the job market, the airlines can pick and choose the best, and if it was your own business you would do the same. As posted previously these are difficult times and I am sure most of us choose this path because we are just drawn to the skies. Again good luck to all out there chasing there dream.
Ace
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Personally I can't see the point of chopping people on that basis. I'd have thought that CPL/IR training history and instructors' reports would be far better indicators, but then again, it's not my train set.

With the determination you've already shown to get this far, I've no doubt you'll make it to the right hand seat sooner or later.

Best of luck mate.

To the original poster,

I have been through the TR course last year at EMA. Started line training in September in Marseille flew 27 hours in 2 weeks. I was then moved back to East mids and flew 70 odd hours in october. I was line checked in November and flew 47 hours. I was then given 2 weeks off and flew 21 hours in december. January was busy with a week out of base and totalling 91 hours. February was average with 64 hours and I now have my month off.

Its good work, busy at times but pays very well when you are.

Cheers:ok:

nick14 thanks for sharing your info. we need a bit of optimism in the midst of this doom and gloom. cheers!

Maverick,

I have no delusions that I am at the hands of the rostering department but considering I am at EMA which is a big training base and have been out of training since mid november my hours have been pretty decent.

If you look at my average number of hours its about 60 which is pretty good.

I am a sensible enough to plan for my month off by saving and forward planning. As for the pension and the rest, I sort all that out myself and have a choice of everyone in the market. The out of base payment covers the extras it costs you to reposition etc.

As for the rest of the costs, they are tax deductible so it heps. I have retained 85% of my wage minimum every month.

If you work on 650/700 hrs for the year you will be on the right lines.

Im interested to hear about how your wage has dropped by 12000?

maverick,
what you're saying truly is astonishing !

Please, let me get this straight: from now on they'll only offer you a €28000 contract irrespective of seniority ? and you can expect no "overtime" or extras on top of that ? and even people who joined before 2009 actually had their salary slashed as you say ?

thanks for your time.

"Overtime" in FR, that was funny! I'm permanent FR, last yr 630 hrs , this year happy to make 600. Makes a huge difference to 900 when we are paid per hour.

Also the 1000Euro a month line training is the old deal, new one been in place for a while now where you are on the 55euro an hour line training less 4.50 sim charge then a further 15 or 20 euro an hour line training fee, i think its 35.50euro a block hour while line training (could be 40.50?) once safety pilot released, 12min - 20 sectors average.

This is the complete, unequivocal Ryanair cliche fellas.

Cpt X who is based at Y and gets paid Z, yet Cpt U who is based at V gets paid W. He does the same job, flies the same aircraft etc etc.

Whilst on the other hand BRK FO Number 1 at the sunshine base which has just seen its fleet double in the last 3 months is flying his socks off and is getting paid close to what Cpt U takes home on a Ryanair contract. Yet BRK FO Number 2 at the cold, wet and windy UK training base has been doing 3 to 4 STBYs a week whilst capacity is cut over the winter and an ever increasing line of cadets and OCCs move through the crewroom.

Is anyone surprised that there isn't a seniority system, a contracted amount of hours to be flown, a clearly defined salary structure? Its all guess work and the luck of the draw. New joiners take note please. I'm not knocking it, I enjoy it, it has been good to me so far. However the cold hard fact is this - Ryanair owe you hee haw and they will be very quick to inform you this little fact. Unless we were to all stand up and say we won't accept this any longer then nothing will change. And quite frankly this will never happen as the pilot body is too big and too diverse. I believe it was dubbed 'divide and conquer!' by BALPA

This saddens me. How can people let things sink so low. I guess this is the biggest problem with liberalism. Although I've got quite liberal views, I think states should regulate the pays of Pilots, to keep the quality of the job high to avoid disasterous accidents.
Nobody that has major political influences seems to see the big picture here... how do we elect them again?

You reap what you sow fellas.

If you come out of training now get any job to pay your way and keep current until things improve, don't sell your souls to the devil that is Ryanair or Easyjet.