JiffaJaffa
 

Your statement is how it's ALWAYS WORKED mate in just about any airline.....


Expect to be kept busy during the Line Training with possibly no standbys and a sporadic roster working around availability of LTC's. Yes, well that's because there's no point in you being in standby, because you're useless until checked out...and frankly, until checked you're unimportant. That's true in BA, VS, CX, EK.... all airlines are the same. As a useless 200 Hour Cadet. Until line checked as proficient line FO.

Expect to fly more during the summer and less during the winter with a possibility of 2 or 3 consecutive standbys a week on occasions during winter months. So, just like Charter? Try 2 or 3 weeks of standby in a row....


If you want to complain, then fine, but :eek:check what life's really like as a Pilot first (for those with an enquiring mind...it's sh1t). As I've already told AcePilotMurdock.

Four years an an FI and I do another job to boot to pay my bills. I just about cover everything every month. They way I see it the only way into an airline now is to SSTR. It's not going to change. It is to big a revenue stream.

Right now I feel I might as well got a loan for £30k and be skint flying a 737 instead of a 152. And if it all goes wrong you go to the magistrates court, declare bankruptcy and the banks don't get their money back. It's a dog eat dog world.

Make sure you can get the money before you need it, but don't sign up for the loan until the Ryanair job is in the bag. Just having the money is not the way you get in. It's not easy. However, if you do get in then you'll be way ahead on salary over instructing before too long.

Yup I was a Flybe cadet.

Ace

Ace
 

What happened? I'm not having a go. Just interested.

Failed to get a 90% average on the ATPL exams
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What an absolute load of crap. Sorry but just because you dont attain a 90 percent average in those god foresaken exams doesn't mean you should be deemed unsuitable to fly a Dash for Flybe.


Have you got fixed up since?

Nope still looking....all first time passes at skills tests and atpl exams..however I am like all the other FATPL people, its tough times...hope we all get jobs ,anyone who has got there deserve a job for all the work put in.

Good luck to all
Ace
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I'm sorry to hear that Ace, was that 90% pass rate part of the deal before you signed up? I totally agree that its nonsense that you should need a 90% pass rate considering that 90% of the content of the atpl exams is absolute waffle anyway.

No we were told Flybe would like 85% but was not set in stone, although i was nt really bothered about that. I did my best at them to get the best result I could, and achieved that with first time passes and a very good average. I am not naturally gifted at exams so have to work very hard to gain reasonable exam results.

So could I get a 90% average if I sat the exams again... honestly probably not. I am a great believer that things happen for a reason, cliche as that is I do believe that.

I was also a victim of circumstance...excess pilots in the job market, the airlines can pick and choose the best, and if it was your own business you would do the same. As posted previously these are difficult times and I am sure most of us choose this path because we are just drawn to the skies. Again good luck to all out there chasing there dream.
Ace
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Personally I can't see the point of chopping people on that basis. I'd have thought that CPL/IR training history and instructors' reports would be far better indicators, but then again, it's not my train set.

With the determination you've already shown to get this far, I've no doubt you'll make it to the right hand seat sooner or later.

Best of luck mate.

To the original poster,

I have been through the TR course last year at EMA. Started line training in September in Marseille flew 27 hours in 2 weeks. I was then moved back to East mids and flew 70 odd hours in october. I was line checked in November and flew 47 hours. I was then given 2 weeks off and flew 21 hours in december. January was busy with a week out of base and totalling 91 hours. February was average with 64 hours and I now have my month off.

Its good work, busy at times but pays very well when you are.

Cheers:ok:

nick14 thanks for sharing your info. we need a bit of optimism in the midst of this doom and gloom. cheers!

Maverick,

I have no delusions that I am at the hands of the rostering department but considering I am at EMA which is a big training base and have been out of training since mid november my hours have been pretty decent.

If you look at my average number of hours its about 60 which is pretty good.

I am a sensible enough to plan for my month off by saving and forward planning. As for the pension and the rest, I sort all that out myself and have a choice of everyone in the market. The out of base payment covers the extras it costs you to reposition etc.

As for the rest of the costs, they are tax deductible so it heps. I have retained 85% of my wage minimum every month.

If you work on 650/700 hrs for the year you will be on the right lines.

Im interested to hear about how your wage has dropped by 12000?

maverick,
what you're saying truly is astonishing !

Please, let me get this straight: from now on they'll only offer you a €28000 contract irrespective of seniority ? and you can expect no "overtime" or extras on top of that ? and even people who joined before 2009 actually had their salary slashed as you say ?

thanks for your time.

"Overtime" in FR, that was funny! I'm permanent FR, last yr 630 hrs , this year happy to make 600. Makes a huge difference to 900 when we are paid per hour.

Also the 1000Euro a month line training is the old deal, new one been in place for a while now where you are on the 55euro an hour line training less 4.50 sim charge then a further 15 or 20 euro an hour line training fee, i think its 35.50euro a block hour while line training (could be 40.50?) once safety pilot released, 12min - 20 sectors average.

This is the complete, unequivocal Ryanair cliche fellas.

Cpt X who is based at Y and gets paid Z, yet Cpt U who is based at V gets paid W. He does the same job, flies the same aircraft etc etc.

Whilst on the other hand BRK FO Number 1 at the sunshine base which has just seen its fleet double in the last 3 months is flying his socks off and is getting paid close to what Cpt U takes home on a Ryanair contract. Yet BRK FO Number 2 at the cold, wet and windy UK training base has been doing 3 to 4 STBYs a week whilst capacity is cut over the winter and an ever increasing line of cadets and OCCs move through the crewroom.

Is anyone surprised that there isn't a seniority system, a contracted amount of hours to be flown, a clearly defined salary structure? Its all guess work and the luck of the draw. New joiners take note please. I'm not knocking it, I enjoy it, it has been good to me so far. However the cold hard fact is this - Ryanair owe you hee haw and they will be very quick to inform you this little fact. Unless we were to all stand up and say we won't accept this any longer then nothing will change. And quite frankly this will never happen as the pilot body is too big and too diverse. I believe it was dubbed 'divide and conquer!' by BALPA

This saddens me. How can people let things sink so low. I guess this is the biggest problem with liberalism. Although I've got quite liberal views, I think states should regulate the pays of Pilots, to keep the quality of the job high to avoid disasterous accidents.
Nobody that has major political influences seems to see the big picture here... how do we elect them again?

You reap what you sow fellas.

If you come out of training now get any job to pay your way and keep current until things improve, don't sell your souls to the devil that is Ryanair or Easyjet.