Ryanair and brookfield contract
 

Hello
For those looking for work, be cautious with new contracts Brookfield (Ryanair) Sense about the legal aspect of having to form a limited company in Ireland, you sign a contract that will not give you any guarantee for your future! Ryanair did not hesitate a single second resend several pilots during their training:\.
The new contract requires you to pay taxes in Ireland without contributing to a pension. If Ryanair terminates your contract, you will not be entitled to compensation.
So think twice before you sign!

This thread is already running as "Brookfield F/O Contract" and is several pages long

Hi Flymiata

can you elaborate on this

'Ryanair did not hesitate a single second resend several pilots during their training'.

Dont really understand what your getting at.

Here we go again... would someone please change the record?

I think anyone who as done any research into the Brookfield contract knows that it doesn't give any legally defensible guarantees. However there are many hundreds of us FOs making very good money on the brookfield contract.
Do the research - decide for yourself. Why come onto pprune with some illiterate and unfounded ramblings?

It's very simple, if you have family with children to feed , if you live a oder company to go to Ryanair hoping to improve your situation, no matter for Ryanair, if they do not need you, they throw you! And ballyboley, I was talking about the last contract, which is different from the old! I just wanted to remind those who still doubted that for Ryanair pilots are !!!! and they are only interested in money! But I am sure Ballyboley knows it!:ooh:

Round and Round we go!

Yes, it's called being 'Self Employed'....pretty much like being at ASL / Flying Group / Abelag. ( I noted you are in Belgium - Nice Duvel! :ok:)

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I just wanted to remind those who still doubted that for Ryanair pilots are !!!! and they are only interested in money

I'm not sure if you mean Ryanair are !!!! or Ryanair pilots are !!!!, I certainly hope its not the latter.

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if they do not need you, they throw you!

I know probably upwards of 40 Ryanair FO's, and have met and flown with many captains and I've never heard of anyone getting "thrown" by Ryanair just because they don't need them. Do you even work in Ryanair? Yes, there are times when we get a lot of standbys, but there are other times when we get lots of flying - I got paid for 108 hours last month, almost 40 of those at another base because things were slacker at my normal base. Ryanair have no obligation to do this - as you quite rightly say, the contract does not guarentee us a set number of hours, but myself and 3 others were away from base this month which as well as the increased hours, attracts a very nice 20Eur an hour which more than covers the B&B!
I'm by no means a Ryanair lover - like any airline, there are things that are annoying and we would all like to see changed, but on the whole I don't think it's as bad as some people like to make out on here.

Ballybooley cool the jets and let the man say what he has to say !!

I know it gets anoying all this anti ryanair crap ,But this man could be a work colleague and his story could be of interest to other Ryanair pilots.

flymiata are you a cadet ?or do you have first hand experience ?

Ballyboley

Hi there, it looks to me that you fly in RYR and im very interested in some questions. I really would appreciated you help.

1-Does RYR contract DEC???

2-Whats the average age of DEC´s and PIC time when get in?

3-Do DEC´S pay for the type? How much?

4-Can DEC´S choose base? if not, whats the policy? how much time to choose base?

5-Is RYR right now looking for DEC´S?

6-Whats the average paycheck all inclusive after tax for Capt. and FO (Brookfield contract).

7-Do you sleep everyday at home?

8-How many legs a day (T.Off/Landg)?How many Hrs monthly (average)

9-Do you get pay by hrs? if yes, how much Capt/FO?

Tks in advance.On the other hand, If someone from RYR knows this info, feel free to answer it.

Mr.White:ok:

No it is not called being self employed. It is called pretending to be self employed for the purpose of tax evasion. Is also called pretending to employ a contractor for the purpose of avoiding employment law.

RYR info
 

Mr White.

From Madrid, not SEPLA I hope:ugh:

Answers to your questions
1 Yes, if rated
2 Impossible to answer (why do you want to know?)
3 No.Not since you have to be rated
4 Yes. You can not choose base when you are in the company. You can wish.
5 Yes. Look at their website
6 :}
7 As a BRK No! As a RYR contract Yes:ok:
8 2 - 6. 72 hrs average
9 Yes as a BRK, fixed rate. You have to find out at the interview:cool: As RYR contract you have a monthly salary depending on what base you have.

And Mr White from Madrid. Apply and ask the questions at the interview.
Good luck
/Teddy

Ballyboley,
It's seems that you haven't understood what flymiata was speaking about, he was speaking about the cadet thrown out of the training before the line check, which is happening more and more...
For sure after the line check they will never throw you out of the company as you are not working for FR, but you will see slowly your sby's rising...especialy when your experience is rising and you are becoming really expensive.

In Fr there is three type of FO :
- The ryanair FO who has an average of 85 hrs a month. Fr pay them a basic salary and a lower sector pay, so it's expensive to let's them SBY.
- The low hours Brookfield FO, who is really unexpensive to fill the gap and to fly the long sector flights (>7hrs)
- The experienced Brookfield FO, who is really expensive and will be scheduled when there is no alternative and also they still receive hours as they are expected one day to pass Captain and FR is really in need of Cpt...
So it's happen a lot that the last category end up the month with 20 hrs and the first category 100 hrs.
Hope it will help some young cadets to make their decision... I really don't want to be in the seat of Brookfield Fo when FR will be full of Captain....

Regards,

Captain Mainwaring...


i know 2 guys in our base who have broken limbs in various accidents....i bet they wish they were on a ryanair contract and not Brookfield at the moment, facing 5 months off ill with no pay!

That is an excellent point and a very hidden catch in this scheme thebeast.

Bet they would not be without pay if they had personal disabilty insurance. It is not uncommon for the contracting pilot to provide for their own benefits, and retirement and insurance schemes.

That's the whole thing. For my part I know a Ryanair FO who broke is leg during the inspection of the A/C, unable to fly during 3 month, during those 3 month he has received is full basic salary and an average of his sector pay.

And if you have something happening outside your duty you have the "irish social security" who take care of your salary, and the "medical" insurance (where you live) who take care of the medical cost.

But that's true that's not taken in consideration when you are young, in good health and single... but when you are older and have a family...

not sure relying on the irish social security to top up your salary in the event that you cant work is wise:rolleyes:

True but at least you have something...