Ryanair - Rated Pilots holding pool
 

Hy guys...I've done my interview (rated F.O. more than 500h on type) with RYR in Sep 08 and it was succesfully.
Scheduled to start OCC in Nov 08 I was "freeze" and put in a "stand by pool" few days after the phone call concerning the assestment result!!
Still standing by for any news from them...I called few days ago and they have no plans for OCC with rated pilots....only cpt and cadets for the moment!
Anyone in my same conditions?
Reading the page of RYR recruit is now state that by the end of March the fleet will be of 195 aircraft....aren't they 171 now?? all these aircraft in 2 months? and only cadets? how is it possible...!?
If any of you has more info...I really appreciate.
thanks in advance.

not compleatly true, i am past 500hr and flying 70hrs this month, its not 90 but in fairness I dont want to fly that much, its still 5200euro before I decide what the tax man should have after expences.

understood...but what about the fleet? is correct that will be of 195 aircrafts in the next 2 months...??

No idea,, I look at my rosta, go in and fly then go home and cash the cheque, I personaly think thats the best policy with flying with Ryanair, dont get me wrong I love my job, but its still just a job.

well aren't you cool.

what was the point in posting you idiot, you haven't helped the poor bloke.

the holding pool at the moment has 300 pilots in. unfortunately, we are currently in discussions with the company over paycuts and it has now been announced that 200 staff are being layed off over the next couple of months (pilots and cabin crew, all dublin based). it isn't a nice situation and the guys at the top aren't being very nice about it. it would appear that you and the 299 other pilots are being used as pawns in a horrible war game between the workforce and the pilots. they have made us all aware that there are pilots in a holding pool ready to take our job - like a 'if you don't like it, then leave, we don't care, we've got people to fill your positions' attitude. what pressman meant was that cadets are much cheaper to operate as their pay is lower and now ryanair are operating (or will be from april) their own in house type ratings, they get more money from cadets too.

good luck, if there's any more info you require pm me

zerotohero i hope i don't fly with you, you'll probably just chat about how much money you think you earn and how many crew you think fancy you

I am lead to believe that the company are only starting Captains with type ratngs just now, all F/O's are un rated.
I would still expect that if they have already told you that they will give you a job, it will only be a matter of time.
Be patient and good luck

Zerotohero,

Why do you write here? To show off, what an egocentric person!!
Tipical mentality in Ryanair, as long as I have what I want, I don't care about somebody else.
Pilot profession has devaluated a lot over the last decade and I know why!
Even Ryanair will be hit by the crisis and your job isn't sure eather.

Your comments have nothing to do with this thread.

Good luck to the guy ,who is waiting for a job.
Just bad times,unlucky!

nope, i wrote because pressman stated that anyone past 500hr is not doing any flying and all the cadets were! not true, I am flying more than enough for my likings, and then in responce aleZTN asked about the fleet arriving, so i replyied no idea! job done.

this industry is volatile and there are people just out for themselfs, well I only came into it recently and thats whats on the table these days so i am chowing down on it,,,, if it used to be rosey years ago when you first started, heres my thoughts, its you that f***ed it up! I had zero part in past pay deals and T&C,,,,, Brookfield Ryanair 738 is what was about after instructing and Brookfield is what I took, if you want the good old days back go get out your picture book and cry me a river.

AleZTN

To be honest, no one is totally sure what is happening in the company at the present time. I am DUB based and await an outcome on my future. As you probably are aware the fleet size at DUB will remain at 18 aircraft for the duration of the summer season (usually 22). Recently SNN has also had two aircraft removed from their fleet. Crews not required at SNN have been moved to new bases and yesterday it had been suggested (by MOL himself on RTE news) that the same course of action would be taken for the excess DUB based crew. Speaking from the perspective of flightcrew, I am a bit unsure of what the extent of the upset may be. The current fleet is at 18 a/c already and the majority of crew are infact contract pilots, with a great deal of these (especially Captains) on floating contracts. Anyway, I am just speculating. I am as uncertain as the next person!

On a brighter note, Command upgrades continue. FR are keen to promote from within, so this should free spaces for FOs (obviously depending on the success rate). As you know, the preference will always lean towards employing 250 hr SSTR cadets. However when I joined around 8 months ago I met a few 'experienced' 737 FOs who had recently joined from other airlines. It therefore does happen, however it's all about timing. The company is to open four new bases in the next few months, so we will see what happens there. There is also talk of a base in CPH, however this is just internal whispers. May amount to nothing as I am told CPH can be an expensive place to operate from (not to FRs liking).

All I can say is sit tight. Too much is changing at the moment to paint any clear picture. Once we get through the summer, I believe everyone will know where they stand!

Bologna, Cagliari, Trapani, Alghero

Are cadets that much cheaper?

If you take into account the increased salary for a Line training Captain and a safety pilot for a few weeks does the cost amount to less than just using a FO??

Il do the maths: Safety pilot duties (at a guess) 70E an hour
Line catain (another guess) 150E per hour

so for an early SO a total of 220E per hour.

Normal crew: FO at 70E per hour
Capt at 136E per hour
206E per hour.

After safety pilot release it might make it cheaper:

SO at 40E per hour
Capt at 150E per hour

190E per hour total so under the bulk of the line training it is cheaper.

So im guessing any money from SSTR would offset this?

Anyone care to add?

Ryanairs success is down to small margins I would imagine, say 300 cadets last year at 5euros an hour cheaper times 500hours adds up to 750,000euros!

look at one of the latest FCI to turn off the retractable landing lights on initial takeoff checks saves 6kg per rotation times that by some 1100ish a day and that adds up to a big fuel saving over a year, its all about small margins.

but to keep people happy on this thread and on track I flew 60hours on my last month under 500hours totaling 3330euros hitting my bank before tax and what not,,,,, first month after 500hours on the higher rate was 65.7hours totaling 4960euro before crap,,, so its not all true that your grounded after cadetship!

zerotohero - the tragedy of your foolish posts is you actually do not see how staggeringly ignorant they are. You, alas, are a significant part of the reason why Ryanair has led the industry into the mess it is in now. Your mentality of just keeping your head down and thinking about number one is the same mentality that allowed people to live near Dachau or Belsen and claim they never knew what was happening in the 'transit camps' up the road. It frankly repulses me - and I suspect also a load of your own colleagues at Ryanair. I have always been at a complete loss to know why Ryanair pilots have not been able to unionise in order to gain collective bargaining powers and accountability that is so necessary for long-term security. As long as there are young people like you who see no need to think of anyone else but themselves, it all makes perfect sense.

I can see the advert in Flight International now, 'Young pilot available now, full of enthusiasm, hard worker, loves flying and never asks difficult questions. Give me the job and as long as I am sorted, you will never hear a peep. Where do I sign?'

Part of being young is that you are always capable of the deepest emotions of love, compassion, kindness, consideration and thoughtfulness. The problem tends to be that those emotions only ever involve yourself! Let me leave you with the poetic words of Martin Neimoller, a former U-boat captain from the First World War and subsequent church minister who after initially welcoming the new Germany, saw it for what it was and was sent to jail for voicing dissent. At the end of WWII, reflecting on the rise of Hitler and his own place in not opposing him until it was too late, he is credited with these words:

First "....They came for the Communists,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
They came for the Jews,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
They came for the Trade Unionists,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.
They came for the Catholics,
But I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
But by that time there wasn't anyone left to speak for me....."

You folks at Ryanair are only seeing the beginning and without a corporate voice that stands for every pilot's interests and not just your own are destined for disaster. Best of luck in the fight ahead - you are going to need it.

NSF

Awesome, now get back on our BALPA site pls xx

oh and zerotohero

Cock, the guy was only asking for some advice, where u never there once. Bet u moan at learner drivers as well.

Well pup, having been made redundent its not a nice feeling, who's going to pay that big mortgage, grow up little boy... If I lose my job again I lose everything, so we're all in this together!!

Rant over

It looks like a bad situation...
I hope that the pool for rated pilot is smaller than 300's...or not!?
I know many guys has joined RYR from other companies...most of them doing the interview only 1 month before me !! !!!!...!!!
As far as I can see it's really look like a wargame...so may that's why they have called so many guys for the interviews...so we have lost time and money for nothing...
I've red about the situation in DUB from the RYR website, but I've also seen from Ryanair Fleet - Airfleets that now there are 173 a/c....so more airplanes less pilots...you should fly more...is that the plan?
All new bases are in Italy, after asking or moving to go there, I don't understand why they are not calling us..
It's really a bad moment...hope that with the summer is going better.
Thanks for all other info

Ale

lol,,, the zero to hero name is a piss take at all thouse at ryanair who did that with 220 hours oxford to jet! i myself did instructing and then charter before looking for turbo porp jobs that were not around so took one with FR instead of mcdonnalds

as for not giving advice,, i gave advice on hours and pay! did you all miss that,,, your just too excited to slag people off!

Currently they have 179 aircraft.

Sorry, but I am with zerotohero 100% on this one,

Who are you all to tell anyone that they are ignorant, or self centred, or selfish, or anything else, for looking after number 1?

Personally I love flying (same company, STN based) - but more than anything I just LOVE to see all that money in my bank at the end of the month, and you'd be bulls**tting if you said you didn't look forward to it.

I also love the people I work with, 99% of them are great people and I have no problems getting along with anyone. But here's a question for all you moral folk out there - do you honestly think the next guy in this industry is going to look out for you? That's what you should be worried about...

There's nothing wrong with what the guy's put - he needs to feed his family (if he has one), and he's happy he's able to do that in times like these.

Then again, it's 'discussions' such as these that are the reason I don't watch the news or read the papers - I can't be bothered knowing what's happening to other people, so long as it doesn't affect me or my family. My condolences always go out to the families of those who are suffering in the world, but you must look after yourself.

And nobody start throwing the 'what a selfish prick' card at me - I spent eight months in Africa flying 172s around with a UK nurse onboard helping the sick and injured in Ghana, so I know something about helping others.

Frankly some of the above posts are disgusting.

Rant over.

BALLOUT

Get a grip man and read things before going off on one! as my last post your all far too excited to slag people off on there

if you bothered to read my post you will see the first one i said i was happy not flying 90hours a month as i am earning enough money to live a good life and lower down i quote some figures and say before crap, meaning before tax and NI! not crap wage, but again as in every pprune thread you just read what you want to hear and have a go at someone (ME!)

HERE IT IS SIMPLY FOR YOU,,, POST IS ASKING ABOUT PILOTS WITH HOURS ON TYPE,,, I TOLD MY HOURS FLYING COMPAIRED TO BEFORE 500 HOURS AND PAY I RECIEVE FOR INFO!

Get a grip and stop been such Bit**s

Z to H,
As you are starting to find out, tongue in cheek, irony, or anything that requires the reader to read between the lines is somewhat wasted on here.

It is only possible to be in one of two camps. Either you must adopt blinkers and praise Ryanair to the rooftops, or you have to (preferably work for Aer Lingus) & remind everyone that they are a bunch of Pikey's/ scum of the earth etc at every opportunity. You will find any common sense posting will be drowned in a chorus of Ryanair-berating hysteria.

You are there, you know how it is, what is good & bad, and how it could be a lot better, and indeed a lot worse. Trying to educate the great unwashed on here is a poor use of your time. Look at my number of postings and you will see I speak from experience. :ugh:

Wait till CaptKremin or one of his many psuedonyms comes along, you will then find that rather than being a normal bloke telling it as it is, you are transformed into a self serving apologist for the evil empire. Most of these opinions are invariably offered from a "safe seat" on the exterior of our glorious empire. Easy indeed to offer advice from the rafters, as you well know not so easy to act on it from within,particularly when everyone is not singing from the same hymn-sheet. := As you said, look after No1, no one else will until some leadership is found among the ranks and some organised response is offered to managements unchallenged "proposals". With the possible exception of The Grim Repa aka Didimus that ain't gonna come from anyone on here.

Welcome to the shark pool, come on in the waters lovely :D

OK Zero, I have re read your post and deleted mine.

I didn't want to start this polemic....I was just asking news about the situation for rated experienced pilot in the pool....that's it.
I know perfectly the brookfield contract, but I would prefere RYR contract (isn'it better? do you have datas?) they have offered me after passing the interview...hope they will again...
Thanks

Reluctant737 - Comments like that make zerotohero look like the complete philanthropist in comparison. I presume mine was one of the posts you found disgusting - I feel quite honoured to have disgusted someone with views like yours. Put a mark in your diary and remember the day you wrote, "I can't be bothered knowing what's happening to other people, so long as it doesn't affect me or my family." Possibly frame it and put it up in your toilet at home to remind you, in case you should ever doubt it, that you are the only person who really matters. I have been so fortunate throughout life to know some great people who have an altogether different view of the world than yours - I consider that a great blessing. And by the way, please rant all you want.

Charity begins at home - I've done my bit to help those in need and I enjoyed doing it. My point is, there are very few other people who will go out of their way to help you.

In the past I have been described as 'too nice', or 'too helpful'.

Thankfully, I toughened up a bit before joining this industry.

Ironically, if you (God forbid) were to be involved in a car accident, NSF, or had broken down alongside the road while it's raining cats and dogs and everybody else is too warm and cosy in their car to pull over, I am the one who always stops to help, because I know what it's like.

So be careful before you comdemn somebody on the basis of one post on an internet forum, that's all I say.

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From Reluctant 737

(Profile says "age 20")

Compared to your peers from school (you're too young to have gone to uni), I guess you're doing quite ok for yourself. Ask the ones who have chosen a professional career how they are doing in 20 years from now and then have another look at your own situation .....

It's not your fault - you're young, you'll learn ......

Our outfit has taken on a number of FR guys over the last few years. All have been happy to avail of the so called "perks" of union representation. Namely seniority, bidding systems for fleet and promotion, a published payscale with annual increments, uniforms, carparks, crew meals, extensive staff interline travel etc etc. At the same time we are continually fighting a battle to preserve what we have whilst guys are more than happy at outfits like FR to take what they can and jump over the next guy. No doubt when MOL gives you 6 months of unpaid leave then you will be looking around but don't expect the grass to be greener if this attitude prevails. And don't expect a lot of sympathy from your fellow pilots to all those who think the cost of joining REPA or BALPA is to much.

Aldente, I am in a professional career.

Perhaps you read into me too much? I love flying, that's why I chose it as my profession. It doesn't bother me what I'm earning, so long as I can put food on the table and pay the bills - it's very nice to see the money there, but that's a mere bonus on top of being able to fly what I fly all over Europe.

Take it from me, I've seen a bit more than most 20 year olds, and I'm not referring to flying, so I am somewhat qualified to make a judgment.

I can understand why you think what you do though, I probably will in thirty years time too... but for now, I'll try to give the benefit of the doubt before making an opinion :ok:

NSF

Wonderfully concise posts from you as usual, I can't add anything more. O'Leary has stated that cost cutting is like peeling an onion. As one layer is peeled away another layer presents itself. I have just been informed that I will now be paying for Hotels and hire cars for my future recurrent sims and recieved a paycut of up to 20%. There are many more layers to this Onion and without a cause and effect implication that a Union would present to Ryanair, our T&Cs will continue to march steadily towards the bottom, dragging every other airline with us. Balpa didn't give a !!!! either, despite repeated calls for help from the REPA pilot reps.

Why are you paying for those items. Are you now working at base or away from base? If away from base does that mean they have chnaged your contract without mutual agreement? If true for you, how many others? Sounds like a drop in the ocean as a cost cutting measure, but significant for the individual. No doubt us pax will have to stump up even more draconian add-ons.

I'm a permanent employee. My "contract" is being "renegotiated" by "my" ERC.

I will now pay for my twice yearly sim Hotel, Hire Car and all expenses.

If I become a line trainer I will only be paid extra for training flights.

If I upgrade to Captain I will take a 20% salary rip for the priviledge.

If I upgrade to Captain I will be bonded for up to 5 years and €5000 on top of the above.

I think it's time those of you at other airlines start to ask questions of Balpa. What's happening here is coming down the tracks for you. This is an industry crisis.

Ryanair does not collectively bargain.

You cannot have your contract changed if it isn't negotiated directly with you.

Just returned from a very pleasant couple of flights with Ryanair on a day trip to Dublin from Gatwick with Mrs Fletcher and some mates. Very impressed by the cabin crew - and the trumpet message announcing another on-time arrival made the whole flight roar with laughter! It just reminded me of the tragedy of good people in a potentially great airline being stuffed by a nasty piece of work in charge. Ryanair are very reminiscent of a tree full of Koala Bears - when you are at the top looking down all you can see are dozens of happy, smiling faces. When you are at the bottom looking up, all you can see is a bunch of rear ends!

Forgetting the selfishness of individuals or not - there is a serious issue here that is so vital to grasp. If all you have is a pile of people looking after number one and who will not pay 1% of their salary to BALPA, IALPA or whoever - there is only one end to it. That attitude guarantees that O'Leary and his hideously immoral view of his own employees will always prevail. Life requires checks and balances. At Ryanair right now there is an unstoppable force in the form of O'Leary - there is no immovable object in the form of a union to oppose him. Consequently anything can and will happen to destroy people's lives. At easyJet, we are no different - our employers would leave us in the street with nothing if they could. Indeed, they actively wish to! The big difference is that we have a balancing force in the form of BALPA. It is far from perfect - our membership is still not sufficiently high to provide the necessary opposition that will soon be required. Nonetheless, the dire excesses that are on display at Ryanair have thus far been prevented. I am not anti-Ryanair per-se. What I am anti is the abuse of a fantastic workforce which is so preventable by the presence of a responsible trade union.

Why can the majority of Ryanair's pilots not see the direct correlation between no union and the violent, continual attacks on their terms and conditions. Looking after number one simply does not work - it is the wrong approach. What works is standing together to fight a common enemy. Why be a bunch of sheep, each one more terrified than the next, keeping its head down hoping the sheep dog will get someone else and not them? If even half a dozen sheep bandied together the sheep dog would lose! It can be different - I want Ryanair to be a huge success for all their employees and not just a few. It could be so different - 1% of your salary is nothing in the current crisis.

Best of luck to one and all.

So where do I sign?

is it as easy as a BALPA rep calling at the base and saying put your name here and we will fix it all for you?

It is dead easy - details of the deal are at this link:

BALPA - Membership

If you are happy to join, just fill-in the form here:

https://www.balpa.org/About-BALPA/Me...oin-BALPA.aspx

I genuinely hope many Ryanair pilots do join, and wish you all the best of luck in the battles ahead. Incidentally, I bumped into an ex-Ryanair pilot in the crewroom today who is retraining on the Airbus - he is delighted to be with us. He commented how great Ryanair was until 5 years' ago and after that it went downhill. Coincidentally, if you speak to many easyJet pilots, they will tell you the exact opposite - easyJet was a nightmare until 5 years' ago and now it is a great place to be. I have no embarrassment in saying that the single biggest factor in that has been the involvement of BALPA and the fact that we have 70%+ membership. That will not be enough to fend off a really concerted attack on our terms and conditions by our bosses - but if that happens I would expect a big take-up of union membership. It would be so much easier to avoid that and go for BALPA membership now!

I would be for all joining up but from what I hear they tried to do something with ryanair last year and then gave up because they did not have the money or resorces to take on ryanair,

so my question is whats the point of giving them my money for ???? what do I get?

Unfortunately it would be money wasted to join BALPA whilst working at RYR. I know our management consider them as, how should it be put, 'having no existence'.

Unfortunately :confused:

zero - i is not always about what you get,sometimes it is about what you give back.

sadly this is a feature all too common in ryanair pilot thinking,lets call it the me,me,me syndrome.whilst pilots in ryanair are grovelling and curtsying for scraps here and there.the overall package is being diminished even further in a tactical base by base planned strategy.people see what is happening and choose to look away,hoping it will not come to them or that by turning away they will not feel others pain.others are just plain stupid and cannot see the reality.a significant number of pilots know well wat has gone and is coming,but they seem powerless to educate all pilots in sufficient time en masse.
the harsh reality of the situation is that it will continue.it will continue until all cannot escape it.it will continue until so far as one will not be able to remember where one started from.it will continue in a downward spiral.everyone will eventually become aware of the reality,but by then it may be too late.
i read an interesting post recently on "what ryanair has taken from us over the years".yes,it is a long and heavy list of material things.it however omits the most significant of all steals during this time.what has been most preciously lost is the DIGNITY and SELF RESPECT of a pilot group and sadly know the pilots of ryanair who choose to ignore their career destruction lose the RESPECT of others.
Have a good look at yourselves and see what has happened,trudging into !!!!ty little offices where nothing works in donkey jackets and parkas.have you not even enough pride to turn yourself out smartly in your uniform.locked in a 5 by 7 foot space for 12 hours, 5 days a week,sitting in and surrounded by stale food,the remnants of previous crews meals, and dust and other !!!!,where not even your own cabin crew members think you worth speaking to,let alone considering you worthy of authority.standing in the pissing rain so that passengers can board 5 minutes early and then sit on the ground while everybody else screws up the departure.
you know what is sad.not what management do to us but what little we have come to expect of ourselves and what little worth we place in ourselves.
if you are happy to sell your humanity,then feel free.when the totting up comes,it will not be about pounds,shillings and pence!!!it will be about you the singular.
as always comrades,right behind you.whenever you are ready!!!deus caritas est!!!

That was very poetic GR :D

Right - first of all I must say, the crew room at Stansted leaves much to be desired, but it is clean, professional and lively with a positive atmosphere.

We are not locked in a 5 by 7 space for 12 hours, a more accurate figure would be 6-9 hours per day. And we do not work 5 days per week - if we're going to be technical, on average we work just under four days per every seven days.

Our NG cockpits are spic and span; 99% of the time very well presented when we arrive, and recently cleaned. And I'm currently 'seeing' one of our cabin crew members, so they can't think too lowly of us :ok:

Standing in the 'pissing rain'? Good point, next time I'll not bother with the walkaround when it's hurling it down, pointless exercise anyway, thank you.

So come on GR, what did RYR do to you that's put you into such a big sulk? There must be something, the last time I saw a grown man 'cry' as much as you was when my mate found out his missus was spreading them behind his back!

Hmmm, good question...

There is lots of shouting on here claiming if the greedy Ryanair pilots were to put their hands in their pockets and pay BALPA 1%, all would be made good.
Well I hate to tell you, There are a hec of a lot of us that are members and we're wonderng, what is the point?
In my opinion, BALPA have no idea how to tackle Ryanair, and if they don't get a grip soon and come up with a sensible plan, I see a lot of us canceling memberships.
Only in my humble opinion of course!

reluctant love
 

i see you are "seeing" one of the cabin crew,i am sure you two boys make a lovely couple :}

you need to open your eyes and realise that what GR is saying is a fairly accurate reflection of where things are going with regards to life style and your disposable income,down the (no reference to the cabin crew you are seeing) GARY GLITTER.

you put the "COCK" in cockpit