clearly, a Gulfstream V/550 rating is preferable to any Boeing - young pilots, pay attention.
Captain - 777/767/757/M80 - $'s (avg) 12-14k/mo
regretfully,no experience - Gulfstream......:ugh:

8 years experience total.
1 year F/O on light jet in 2nd biggest european corporate company
Roster ??? what-s that? On paper only but at the end of the month more or less 17 days ON, 13 days OFF.
When ON available 24h with 2 hours notice.
Pay after Tax with today's exchange rate £ 3300
13th Salary
Allowances £65 a day
LOL paid by EMPLOYEE on voluntary basis
24 days annual leave
Pension employer 1/2 employee 1/2 but legal minimums
No other benefits but stable job (today this is worth gold !)

Widebody Captain, Long Haul operation, European Carrier
€5,300 net per month, excludes per diems.
No medical, no pension, no profit share. :(

SFO easyJet (Spanish contract)

5400 euro after tax
plus some bonus twice a year

5-4-5-3
36 holidays
LOL

Obviously this will be very general and not taking into consideration experience/types etc
But as it stands early 2009, which carrier in the UK have the best package (salary, per diem, benefits etc) for First Officer and Command positions?
Just thought it would be interesting to hear what everyone's opinion was as to the best carrier to be with at the moment.

I should imagine that job security is more important than the pay and pension package at the moment. No point earning 10k a month if you could be out of a job next month.

Lowcost 738 F/O no prizes for guessing

Nov £4400
Dec £0
Jan £800
Feb £2800
Mar £4800
April looking like £2400

all before I deduct tax and NI and take into account expences

no benifits apart from staff travel on large network and as much hot water as I like.

True, but with a few exceptions, would I be correct in assuming that the best performing carriers(financially) offer the best packages?

Lab Rat at major UK paper mill
4 on 6 off
10 day spring holiday
18 day summer holiday
10 day autumn holiday
4 service days
In work for 4 months out of 12
6 months full sick pay
6 months half sick pay
Bupa
Final salary pension
Yearly bonus
Take home £2700/month.

777F Captain based in Germany
ca. 9000 Euros net.
At the moment 1 Flight a month.

Speciality Registrar Ophthalmology

346 hours per month

28 days holiday per year. (Including bank holidays)

Most hours ever worked in a single week (as a doctor) - 144

Longest shift ever done (without sleep) - 82

Take home pay £2300.

Will get 20 years 2/3 final salary pension and 15 years average salary pension



Part Time Flying Instructor

Most hours ever flown in a month - 12 hours.

Amount of money earned - bugger all. Barely covers the costs of my medical, travel expensese etc. Doubt i'll ever recuperate my training costs.

Mickey

Complete the speciaility then immigrate to Australia.

You will add another zero to the end of your paycheck (in real money GBP) and soon have the brass to purchase or hire if you wish nice bonanzas, barons , cirruses etc.

How do they get away with paying you guys so little?

What I hope is a secure job - priceless

Capt Sullenbergers words about the low pay driving out experience and newcomers to the industry are ringing true in my ears, but judging by some of the paypackets mentioned its not true in all cases!

Groundstaff for a UK carrier at MAN.
Brilliant roster, Weds, Thurs and every 3rd Friday on 18.75hrs a week.
Pay £550 a month (includes shift pay, which varies dependant on when you start/finish and days worked, i.e. more on an early weekend start), but I do it because I like it and my collegues are on the whole fab and having a little one it's working really well. :ok:
Free uniform. Free parking.
Staff travel, after 1 year, 1 free subload. after 4 years 1 free subload, 1 free firm and they accrue as you stay on. I'm coming upto 7 years. Upto six nominees. I get leave on an hours figure which comes upto about 6 weeks or so a year (same for full time).
Unlimited ZED on a huge number of other carriers.

I know it's not a flying job, but I thought it might be of interest to others out there looking at what is available.

What I nightmare - I'd rather have my ~£2,400 in the bank at the end of every month, guaranteed, plus the occasional extra few hundred for selling days off/trips. Year 2 regional jet FO. 700 hrs pa. Take home is after pension payment to which company adds double what I pay.

easyJet line captain on a Italian contract.

Net take home still varies because it was introduced last June and still not fully settled due to conservative tax calculations on EZY's behalf. Estimated was about €8500 but for me actual has been north of €9000,- ever since, sometimes hitting the 5 figures.

-TFR (severance indemnity pay) 6.8% on top of gross.

-Fondo Vole ( Italian Pilot state pension) supposedly 23,8% on top of gross but no one really seems to know and is probably too good to be true. Still looking for the info in English though. I'm told that If you had put in 20 years you would get €5000,- net p/m today but which I seriously question.

- Loyalty bonus once a year, 5/10/15% depending on time with company, was fully taxed but apparently half taxed since 1 feb 09.

- Medical

- Loss Of License, 1.3 times Basic (so ± €139,000,-)

- Not quite sure but I think Uniform since 1 feb 09.

- Death in Service, 4 times basic.

- Sick pay: full basic for 3 months, further 3 if medical temporary suspended.

- Staff travel if available, bit of a problem of late.

- 5/4 5/3 roster, 25 bookable days off, should be 30 according to Italian law, is being worked on.

- Probably forgot something

My big thank you goes out to the BALPA/ANPAC/ePG negotiation team which did a fantastic job negotiating the Italian contract while the pound was at €1,50

O yeah, I'm the first in line to go on a 75% contract for 85% of the money and because Italy is Italy will cost me about 10% net.

Again, Thank you BALPA/ANPC/ePG.

It seems that half of EZY is trying to get on a € contract these days, with the pound not doing very well at the moment, particularly a French contract for which I don't have the info.

1st year captain turbo prop

Take home about £2400 + around £100-300 a month flight pay.

Looking at some of the earnings on here makes me want to cry!

Huge debt just being serviced, very little head way.

Would do anything for a Gulfstream job, except work for free :}

I cant wait for the upturn

Regards,

ST

This Thread
 

The previous thread on this subject was started in a ( short) golden period for pilots, and I found it very interesting and informative.

Now that so many of us are out of work, and even more feeling vulnerable, I find the new thread to be in bad taste. I acknowledge that some posters felt the same about the previous thread.

Engineering dept. of a middle eastern airline (small and not well known) take home 2200 Euro per week, all food laundry etc paid for at hotel transport to from work unfortunately the bad part is 12 weeks on 3 off. Business class RTN to airport of choice (GLA for me) taxi from airport to home and back (70 Miles each way) not a bad number really apart from the long time away from home, but its retirement job for me and no complaints.

Hey guys. This is for pilots that are employed by a company that has its main operations center in one country and their reside in a different country.
For example Easy Jet pilots that work for easy UK but live in France or Italy.
Does Easy Jet deduct taxes from your salary in the UK or do you pay all your taxes in your country of residence?

Thanks.

Zip29

What a crock, sorry people are out of work but we are not all expected to go bury our heads in the sand are we?

how is it bad taste, it gives a clear view of where the $$$ are at that were all after, if people who are out of work dont want to know then they dont have to read the thread! this is not a communist country, do as you please.

its a good thread.

rotorhead
 

what do you guys get paid?

£10,000 per month take home.
+ house, utilities, pension, etc.

I should have added that this is for flying 200 hours per year on helicopters in the ME.

offshore oil platforms abseilor, 147 nights a year offshore, the rest is time off,

take home monthly £3400

was planning on spending it on flying training, but bit more wary now!

2 weeks on 3 weeks of rotation in North Sea

Aer Arann year 2 Captain good month 5500 euro net bad month 4800 euro net , approx 60 hour per month , LOL and roster 5/3/5/2:O

Hi wilky,

are you a bit more wary now due to some of the salaries advertised, or due to the global decline in jobs worldwide.

Your working offshore which gives you lots of time off to allow you to get your ATPL whilst still making good money. Its a win win situation. You might land lucky and get a flying job immediately, or have to stay in your curent rope access job.

I took my first flying lesson 20 years ago, never looked back.

Crack on and get studying !!. Good luck.

Rgds.

Khaosai,

Thats what I thought win, win. I started my PPL last year and planned to get all my training done in my 3 weeks off each trip where possible, I'm just more wary of climate. I would expect a drop in my current salary if I made it into the RHS in the future, I'm not one that would aim for jets straight away, I would do anything to start and get flying experience and hours and work my way up through the ranks as such. I'm 28 but I am already on my 3rd career change, 5 years as a royal marine, 4 years as a police officer and now in my 3rd year of offshore inspection/rope access so a fair bit of life experience for my age. I'm hoping that would stand me in good stead for my first aviation job. Flying as always been my passion, as i'm sure it is for most who take on this monumental task of getting the ATPL.

I can only go of what I read on PPRUNE but to me it seems a huge investment of time and money to be let in for a hell of a ride to get the first job, all these different schemes for Ryanair, easyjet etc, maybe in the end I will keep flying as a hobby. I really did want a career as a pilot but I will be riding this out until I see that things improve. I'm more than willing to do whatever it takes to get a job, my last 3 were not walk in jobs, but security in my life is a big thing. I'm also aware that there is other airlines/operators out there that are not running these cadet schemes, but realistically by the time i'm finished training I would guess I would be around 32 years old, with all the spring chickens newly qualified, and experienced pilots with hours on type being recruited again(hopefully for you guys) I just dont think I would stand a chance!

Any way I am aware i'm drifting off thread so will knock this on the head, but i'll keep my ears to the ground and assess the situation as I go. £60k+ of debt no siree, not with the risks involved, maybe back in my naive youth it would have been an option before, but had my fingers burnt with debt years ago, and its not a nice feeling!

All the best to the guys qualified and trying to find work. I really hope you get something soon.

Wilky

I'm in the same position as you, desperate to start training, but you seem to really have your head screwed on, unlike alot of people jumping straight in.

My take home as cabin crew is rubbish, 1100 pm, some benefits, this will never fund flight training, i have no option but to take a loan.

Some salaries on here are Huge, even our cpts dont get that much...or so they say.

Hi Wilky,

its a difficult call for sure. It seems your applying commonsense, which is a good thing.

I wish you well in the future, i know how tough it can be.

If i was doing it all again, i would have aimed to minimise costs by heading to the States, get the licence and build hours. They had career development loans back then, not sure if they still exist tho.

As an aside you might know a few mates of mine, one ex RM for 22 yrs and another working rope access in the north sea !. Both Scottish lads.

Rgds.

Khaosai, Thanks :ok:

Wilky
 

Wilky,

Just a thought and I speak as another mid-life career changer but if you do end up in the low cost sector (which unless you're very lucky you probably will) then from the point of view of work/life balance I don't think you will be able to match your current employment. I get 108 guaranteed days off a year, you get over 200! I do probably also get a further 30-50 stby days where I often don't get called. Flying is more enjoyable than many jobs on an hour for hour basis but after a while it isn't more enjoyable than taking your family out for a bike ride or watching movies or chilling out at home!

You are also currently earning about the same as someone who is about 4-5 years into a typical flying career (Unless you land a dream ticket like BA from day 1)

I think a job that gives you so much time to do what you want is quite appealling! Just a thought - not sure if it helps.

Desk-pilot

Wilky
 

Hi Wilky,
Just like you, I spent many years offshore..unsure whether to chuck in a good job for the uncertainties of an aviation career. Well I took the plunge and have never looked back. The offshore environment will actually stand you in good stead in an airline.
I get to sit in the front of a B744 now, but still miss the crack in the tea shack! The offshore game is for young men...you don't want to be swinging off a derrick in your 50s!
Oh yeah....take home £4700 to £5300 plus all the trimmings and never get my hands dirty.

A320 SFO, Europe, year 8.

January - 67 hrs, 48 sectors, net with flight pay and per diems was 2610 €

February - 0 hrs, three weeks spent on last year's unused anual leave, one week groundschool, net 2170€

The 'taking the plunge' diversion that this thread has taken also interests me.

I'm 33 and play records on the radio for a living. Like flying, it's something that I always wanted to do and at my level it's well paid considering that you're only actually 'on-air' for a few hours. That said I've probably hit the glass ceiling now at 40-50k pa, there's sod all job security and the media industry is simply imploding at the moment so who the hell knows whether I'll still be earning in 3 months, let alone 3 years. Like your job, there aren't likely to be too many opportunities locally so having to up sticks and go sniff out work somewhere else is a distinct probability in my game.

I always felt that getting my finger out my arse and getting an ATPL and a nice gig flying jets would the answer to my long term prayers. Perhaps it's not that much different - I spend hours each day in front of a few LCD screens driven by a computer that does all the thinking that I used to do surrounded by lots of flashing lights and buttons, talking into a mic now and again and working with people who moan about how good it used to be! ;)

And with the same level of job security too!! At least if radio boots you, you can always get a job spinning the decks at weddings and bar mitzvahs!! :ok:

Yearly gross income around 50 to 60k Euro, blockhours none, 4 hours standby per week but no flying duty planned as the company doesn't hold an AOC anymore. Another 20k i'm suing my employer for and it looks very good indeed. FO year 9 with dba. Oh, and once i have my final payout (depending on when at least 300k Euro) i have a guaranteed job at air berlin if i really want that, allready have the signed contract.

TRI/SFI ATR 42 /72 ,Europe, 5000-6000 eur net.Usually 8 days off per month and 9 weeks annual leave .Every month 4-6 sim sessions in TLS.

VS SFO A340
c. £6100 pcm net + per diems
Around 850 hrs p.a.
12-14 days hols per month
+ emoluments (incl Virgin Active !) and ID90's!

So you are on a gross salary of over £110000 a year as an SFO at Virgin then. Is this really correct? That is an awesome wage but I just can't believe it! If it is true, I have a new target airline!!!!

£800ish pcm as a part time Servisair ramp rat.

:D