you're completely right ted, everyone does have their own agenda and MOL must love having it that way. if he keeps everyone pissed off at the bases to the point where they'd accept less t's and c's just, for example, to get home to their wife and new born baby, then he is delighted. look at the current situation in lpl, leading upto the pay negotiations the base is flooded with a mismatch of pilots, esp. captains. hardly any of the new upgrades want to be based there (and not just because it's liverpool!), they want to get home in their days off so they'll sell their grandmothers for 4 days off, and PB doesn't let anyone move because of this (despite promises...)

i'd say it is still a good place to work- but purely the job satisfaction: people you sit next to in the flght deck and the girls down the back- you can have a laugh with, even though they might be cramped- there is generally a good atmosphere in the crew rooms, the pay (even though it may be reducing....) is good.

grim repa, isn't it best for repa to just say what you've said then? we all know we can't get anywhere while we're not all headed towards the same goal. the only way we are going to make progress is getting union recognition (small task i know...) but we all spend so long arguing about these !!!!ty pay negotiations that MOL must be finding it hilarious how we're not spending this time talking about the bigger picture.

jejUNITY, jejUNITY, jejUNITY

job satisfaction
 

you are spot on with your statement about job stisfaction.

it is defo one of the best jobs around for hands on and getting flying skills up to a good standard,just look around the world at other airlines and you will find ex RYR guys there..ba,ek,vs,cx,klm,ib,etc.......

i will tell you what bear give me 5 on and 10 off and i will consider a move back to RYR....missing the flying.:(

there is nothing glamorous about spending christmas day in a hotel room in HK.

:ok: for the guys at RYR

that's something i forgot to mention; you do get a good variation of flying and the opportunity to hand fly whenever you want. some may look at circle to lands and non precision approaches as too much like hard work, but i guarantee you'll soon be bored of ils, ils, ils, ils, ils...

and there you go, that's what repa is finding it hard to combat. people use ryanair as a stepping stone. not that there's anything wrong with that, it may even be my plan... but those who take the attitude of 'it's not my problem, i'll be at virgin in a couple of years, why fight?' are the ones (and by far the majority as i can see) that could make the difference. can't blame them though, everyone's got their own agenda and that's fair enough.

b bear

Right Ted!!:o

I know Ryanair have non EU pilots from Brazil, Argentina, etc. How they manage to fly with non JAR Licence???? There is a validation like in the UK for experienced guys??

Slightly peripheral to thread but do ryr put skippers out to grass at 60 or are there opportunities to work on? Mind you, from some of the comments on all threads relating to Ryanair, I wonder if anyone has reached that age in the flight deck community! (Only joking.):O

I think if there were "any juice to squeeze out of the lemon" left from 60-65 they would be happy to avail of your services.
Seriously though, think you can continue to "normal" JAR retiral age of 65, assuming you don't run short of health, humour, or enthusiasm. If I make it to then , think I would perhaps try a few years of 50% to finish though.

Basic pay figures
 

Anyone prepared to share the actual basic pay figures throughout a standard career (SO, FO, SFO and so on) at Ryanair?

Cheers

Is the sector pay any different if you are based somewhere else or in ireland or spain for example ?

Yes...................

brookfield
 

Can anyone give me some informed figures on what to expect as a low hours FO on the brookfield contract? If you can please PM me, would be greatly appreciated. :)

http://http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/factfile.php?id=68a2bqqfu39egxp5kcbcr5mgqure99x55xv786aqzas6 x5z4514

All info at link above

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ppjn isn't too good because it gives a mismatch of sector pay and basic pay from different bases across europe.

in my career to date....

UK Base

SO - entry- one year in company = £16,600 + sector pay + £5000 allowances
JFO - one year in company - 1500 JAR25 = £24,400 + sector + £5k
FO - 1500 JAR25 - captain = £26k to £29k + sector + £5k

They say sector pay is upto £25k per annum, but with the new deal it's less. Capt's - £23-25 per scheduled block hour (not flown hour so will be more than 900 per annum) FO - £18-20 psbh (all figures vary depending on base, stansted got the best deal! new bases seemed to get poorer deals).
Has been mentioned before, but sector pay is taxed at source, so essentially received tax free.

Theses figures are different from base to base, liverpool and prestwick still on old deal and european bases on euro payscale, but i believe they get quite a but less.

hope it helps
b bear

just a quickie for you repa: what is being fought for now? thought all the cases had been dropped, i'm guessing, to concentrate on the green giant...

@ b bear

thanks for the accurate info, much appreciated.

Ye, but the question was regarding Brookfield.....

This does not change base by base.....or does it.