K T

In direct response to some of your questions:

The maximum retirement age is now 65, so if you're mid forties then you will have say 20 years in the airline. Difficult to say, but are you likely to get a long haul command? Is this what you would like or would you be happy to stay shorthaul and pick up a command earlier?
If I were to give a prediction, a shorthaul command is more than likely in your time period, not too sure about a longhaul command though, depends on the level of expansion versus stagnation in pilot workforce.

If you're at LGW, not a great bidding system so not much control over your lifestyle. LHR much better control, work very hard on shorthaul due to the pain of operating in and out of LHR. A modification to our bidline system to be very shortly voted through, I may stand to be corrected, which in theory will bring some added benifits to bidding and hence lifestyle.

I joined BA some 18 years ago as a DEP, ex self improver light turbo-props and B737 holiday charter.. Numerous old (well they seemed old to me at the time) captains told me how they enjoy the variety and experience the DEP pilots brought to the company. I am now a B777 captain and am finding the same thing. Over 200 DEP’s have joined the fleet in the last few years, with a large cross section of age and experience. So far of these pilots I have flown with all seem to be enjoying their new careers. With 43 aircraft and more on order,there is good variety. I have enjoyed flying with these DEP's and as they have experienced life outside BA, tend to moan very little about their new life style. I cannot speak for short haul as I have only flown long haul. No airline is perfect, being human, we all enjoy a good moan from time to time but to date BA has been good to me in many ways.

Some of us were in BA were earning that 10 years ago, so its taken a long time to catch up:D:D:D

Pressman

See the previous threads on this, it aint going to happen with mainline BA pilots!! Well not factually correct as it hasn't happened yet, just a rumour, before rainboe comes on here again and corrects me. By all means ask at the assessment, and be prepared for a very vague answer.

Pay at BA for DEP
 

Gentlemen,

Could any one confirm how much a DEP is making nowadays? What fleet could one expect to join as such (no Airbus, just wide body MD and Boeing, MH-LH experience, 763ER current type). Am looking to move from current commpany and want to make sure the numbers make sense for the family. Thank you in advance.

OW

Try:

www.ppjn.com

They have reasonably good data on European airlines.

Cheers

Hi,

I had already checked on PJN, however it does not mention payscale for a new joiner with experience, as in a non-cadet.

Was just wondering what one could expect to be earning in year one and on what fleet. Any chance of the 772 for example? (4 on order) or would one join on their current type?

Thanks again,

OW

DEP basic is about £44k-£45k per annum with flying pay etc on top.

You can realistically expect to make between £10k-£15k in extra pay per year depending on how much you work.

If you have a mil pension this is quite an attractive package.

DEP on 777 is not happening at the moment as there is enough internal movement.

hope that helps

W2P

I am DEP year 2 and take home 3500-4500 a month depending on days off/holidays and overtime. It goes up every year (for now) and BALPA has a major influence within the airline. A good reason in itself to join.


Good luck.


:ok:

W2P, CanAV8R,

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

Cheers,

OW

So then Knee Trembler, did you get into BA? I too am in the same position, current LHS short haul, will be making a move east in the flight deck soon.. Same concerns as you mentioned, just wondering what you decided.

:cool:

http://www.projectlauren.co.uk/


Ad in flight international apprently.

quick question dozza,

was BA your first job then? i.e. they took you on at 21 fresh out of qualifying?

cheers, kieran

Morning Glory,

See my entry at the end of:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=147292

Do I luk bovvered:rolleyes:.
KT

Morning Glory could you check your PMs, thanks.

KT,

Fingers crosse and all! Do NOT give up hope yet - from the mouth of one of ther horses (if you get my drift), the sim ride is almost ALL about CRM. As long as you and your buddy co-operated well, helped keep each other safe then you're in with a chance. Don't read anything into the length of time it takes to hear anything either. Patience.

Thanks Mr B, and others who have issued similar reassuring words. Time will no doubt tell and I shall, of course, let you know the outcome.

KT

To think that I've actually flown many-a-time with mjenkinsblackdog1 +
being a BA 777FO now.

What are the odds ;)

Can anyone advise what the chances are of being offered a longhaul position on any fleet are? B747-400 / B777 or B757/767?

I know BA are looking to take guys on for their holding pool, but will the B777 be an option in the near future. I am currently flying the 777 with CX.

Anyone care to share with me what the wages are like for a DEP on to the 777. Thanks.

Fleet
 

The situation, as explained to us three days ago, is that recruitment depends slightly on background and experience but mainly on BA's requirements. Apparently, most can expect A320 LHR with a small chance B757/767. Otherwise B737 LGW.

Someone on the inside can no doubt correct / elaborate on this.

Re salary. As always, see www.ppjn.com or elsewhere in this forum. It's been reasonably well covered, but ball-park seems to be £45k + £10-15k allowances.

KT

Thanks Knee.

Recruitment has been heavy on the Bus lately, with the Bus taking over from the FLUF down at LGW most DEP's can expect that.

777 has gone VERY senior as a fleet, don't know if that's due to an anticipated dual 777/787 rating as the cockpits are compatible.

There is a fleet swap window running at the moment with lots of people bidding off of the SH roster onto the LH. That should cover LH manning requirements for quite some time I would think.

As to previous type qualifications I don't know where you stand with having the 777 already. You can but ask!

If you DO get DEP 777, expect to be on blind lines, i.e. work allocated to you and every weekend flying, for a very long time.

Going by my own experience, it won't make a scrap of difference what type you have on your licence.

You have to be prepared to take anything - I would expect the A320 LHR as anyone with any seniority is bidding off it....

As overstress says the type rating you have doesn't make a difference at BA in most cases. I know of A320 rated FO's who have gone to the 777 even though they have been needing people for the A320 at the same time.
Would seem to make sense to put A320 people on the A320 to save training costs but I don't know how BA works out who goes where etc!

747-436, you're not a BA pilot so why bother to come on here to tell us that you don't know anything?! :confused::confused:

Fleet requirements change all the time. New entrants will go to wherever the company needs them, regardless of type rating. They will do the entire sim course even if going to the type they are rated on.

KT have you made your decision yet? Interested as I'm in the same pos.. :8

Hi Morning,

Still no result from the sim ride yet,so still no decision to be made. Will PM you when I find out!

KT

No news yet KT?

No. Still waiting. Not sure what can be taking SO long :ooh: .