easy.v,go
 

worked for EJ and Go,what a difference1!!
great,friendly people in Go,good rosters,have a life at last.Recommend them to any prospective employees,(especially if you live in bonny scotland?)

Very interesting Capt Kirk, I'm a 737 driver living in aforesaid country, and very interested in GO, any chance you could send details of their Captains remuneration package to me at [email protected]
Thanks a million.

I've been with eJ for longer than most and don't particularly want to get into slanging match about the relative merits of either Company.

However, I must question the fidelity of this posting and I'm curious about the true identity of Capt Kirk. He claims to have worked for both eJ and GO and presumeably from his post he is at GO now. My doubts caused because when Go started one eJ Trg Capt went there. He was a gentleman of the old school and left due to family circumstances which made residing near Stansted very desirable; I am absolutely certain that he and Capt Kirk are not the same person. One other very experienced capt left eJ to join GO about 2 or 3 yrs ago but with the knowledge of working for both Company's, he rejoined eJ 6 months ago!

No other pilots have left eJ to join GO. One Capt resigned to do so earlier this year but changed his mind. One eJ F/O has resigned to join GO at Bristol and I think this is because he lives down that way.

So can't think who Capt Kirk could be; perhaps someone who left eJ and arrived in Go via a third airline? If so - 3 airlines in 3 years??? Perhaps there is another explanation!

[ 21 August 2001: Message edited by: Gypsy ]

[ 21 August 2001: Message edited by: Gypsy ]

It would be interesting to hear from someone who has left Go for eayJet and what they have to say about the pros and cons of the two airlines.

Yes it would be good to get there views - I know of at least 4 capts that have joined eJ from GO this year and there may be others that I haven't met.

Capt Kirks lack of response rather confirms my suspicion - I smell a rat!

albinexpress - be warned and please note that eJ's Edinburgh and Glasgow bases become fully op in the next few weeks - ad went out internally for volunteers to move but I guess there may be room for new joiners as well.

I heard that EJ pilots are currently flying only 40 hours a month. I find this hard to believe - can anyone please enlighten me?

Actually I know of an easyJet Skipper who has joined us in the last month or two. From the Liverpool base I think...

It it is my view based on limited experience that movement between FRA/Easy/Go is to do with geography.

WWW

WWW - in general I agree with your second comment although it is not exclusively the case. Your first remark has helped me to complete the little jigsaw that this thread created. I still believe that my earlier posting regarding pilots that have 'resigned' from easyJet to join GO is accurate.

Perhaps at this point, it might be helpful if Capt Kirk would care to enlighten us as to his reasons for leaving easyJet.

Oleo, what you hear is correct. Many F/O's are only flying 30-40 hrs per month (I have done 4hrs in the last six days,normal roster i.e no leave). Captains however tend to fly approx 75hrs per month.
Regards, :cool: :cool:

Orangewing,

Just interested from a low cost scheduling point of view, why your F/o's are so low houred per month ?

Cheers

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And I, Orangewing, had half of my rostered four sector day cut last week because I was getting too close to my 100hrs/28 days!

Hang on! FO's flying 30-40 hrs per month?!!

That astounds me. On the one hand it sounds like heaven but on the other I'd be a bit concerned about profitability.

Can someone please elaborate?

Cheers,

WWW

Yes I can. 30 to 40 a month is probably the extreme; most F/o's I talk to in eJ are doing more than that. Reason for the lower figures is the huge recruitment and then line training of large numbers of pilots for the increasing number of 737-700's that are arriving all the time. Tends to leave the F/O's a little less busy than the Capts who are doing about 70 - 75 per mth. Trg capts more.

WWW - please don't worry about easyjets profitability. We've been in profit every year except the first which is a pretty good record and we are again on target for a significant profit this year. As you've raised the matter, whats the record of profits at GO?

Capt Kirk - we're still waiting!

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

OK gypsy - cool. I wasn't having a pop at easyJet regards profitability. As I am sure you are well aware the classic model for low cost ops is a high utilisation of flightcrew and thus the 30 - 40hrs issue seemed remarkable.

I don't think there is a drop of animosity between the pilot groups of Easy/Ryan/Go/Buzz and long may that continue.

As you ask Go-Fly Ltd filed £4million profit at the close of Y3 accounts. Which was £4million ahead of target.

Cheers,

WWW

Great and thats fine and please note I didn't begin this thread.

You will also know that one the threats to Easy, Ryans and Go is the possibility of not be able to recruit sufficient pilots for the business, so this thread began by a GO pilot could be regarded as unhelpful for easyJet.

So as Capt Kirk started this thread it is only reasonable to ask him to tell us the whole story about why he left Easy.

[ 26 August 2001: Message edited by: Gypsy ]

I agree with Gypsy,this is a very suspicious thread for the reasons already stated. Possibly started by Go management to entice Scottish pilots working for easy????

Oh and about 40 hours a month for me at easy too.Almost like part time work!!!

[ 26 August 2001: Message edited by: twinjet ]

Twinjet,

God, don't we all love conspiracy theories eh?

I think you'll find the originator of this thread worked for easy and "resigned", then asked to rescind his resignation, which easy declined.

This is his little way of giving two fingers to a company that was happy to see the back of him :)

ADC - I think you could be wrong there, but I doubt the originator wants to get it all out in the open.

Capt Kirk - I'll get off your case now. I think PPrune is great for folk to give there views on what is good or bad about their own airline. With the difficulty that all the low cost airlines have with recruiting to meet their expansion plans, I don't think it is appropriate for any of us to use these pages to slagg off our competitors, in what could be possibly viewed as a sabotage operation

Oleo and WWW, I think gypsy is right. As we are doing so much line training, the regular guys on the line tend to lose out on the flying. I would dearly love to get close to the 100hrs / 28 day limit (mind you,i've never been near it, must be knackering) but at the moment it does not seem likely. Been rostered 38hrs flying for September,but with 3 new -700's just arrived the last 5 weeks hopefully it will pick up!
Oh and WWW I agree, never detected any annimosity either! :D

OK Chaps - dumb question time..

I'm long haul based LGW - living in N Ireland. I know the EZ BFS base plan is going ahead and am keen to work from home. Never having flown short-haul I have no yardstick so need to ask the following obvious questions:

1. Wazzitlike?
2. How hard do you work? IE average monthly hours and how demanding is that?
3. Rostered days per month?

That's all fer now.

Thanks for your time...

Dunhovrin,

Just curious, what type are you currently flying? And, do you have any 737 time in your background?


Cheers

LavD,

747-200 currently - no 737 except seat 21E up the ying yang. And the e-pplication has been submitted. If you're inside EZ and want to talk more, drop me your email..

Gypsy, to my knowledge there have been a few easy pilots who've left easyland for Go - in the early days.

The recent flow back (was it three captains ? ) was more to do with the joining 'bung' than any other issue. Putting some flesh on that, to my knowledge one was a few years away from retirement and saw the golden hello as a nice little top-up for his pension fund, the next was a proverbial thorn in the side of Go management and whom I'm sure they were glad to see the back of, the last was a trainer (who'd previously worked for easy) but who found it hard to say no to the joining money (wasn't it £30,000 for a trainer ?) ; and if memory serves me right, all three live closer to LTN than to STN.

Of course, the joining bung must have done wonders for the moral of those who'd joined easy just a few weeks prior to its inception, and ultimately easy did all the captains at Go a great favour as it forced their company into rather dramatic pay hike.
I can say that during that time loads of Go pilots went to the easy interviews - but very few subsequently left (see above).

Also, it would be true to say that ADC knows a lot more about the why's and wherefores of it all than can be openly discussed here on PPRuNe.

The reality of it is that it (IMHO) was always seen as follows:

RyanAir work their crew the hardest (Irish AOC / rules) but that they take home the most money (their basic is actually p!ss poor and the money is made up via productivity deals).

Easy pay well but muck their crews lifestyle about something rotten (lots of roster changes - due to shortage of crew ? ).

Go didn't pay so well but had a more stable lifestyle and (originally) did less work.

Well that's at least how it used to be perceived. However nowadays one might say that:

RyanAir still work their crews to death, but they still take home the most dosh.

easy and Go are now very similar (easy have put effort into fixing the rostering), Go have upped the money, and both now work lots of hours (i.e. Go pilots are hitting 900 hours all the time).

Actually I'm pretty sure that if you took the average net pay of all these airlines and then divided that by the hours flown that the hourly rates of pay would all be pretty close.
Which then means that it's a lifestyle choice, e.g. based on where you live w.r.t. your base, how much the basic pay is (coz it effects your pension), etc....

DA - you will note that none of my posts have been on the subject of easy v. Go or easy is better than GO. I was criticising the originators motive and challenging him to give us a little more information. I concluded with the view that this forum should not be used in a 'my airline is better than yours' ding dong.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of easy's golden bung ( and I've split opinion about that myself), it is no better or worse than GO paying bonds for pilots that leave other companies whilst still owing them.

I would just like to reiterate that I have the greatest respect for easy and Ryan crews. I dislike seeing us competing head to head as I think the market is big enough for that to be avoided to everyones benefit...

As for movement between companies - its nearly always base or some unique personal cirumctance. So no real argument there.

I, for one, am suitable more enamoured with my job since Sept 11th as it is:

a) driving a jet

b) for good money

c) and I don't worry about being layed off

Which really is saying something in the current market.

Safe and fun flying guys,

WWW

Gypsy, you might have misunderstood me, i.e. this is not a p!ssing contest - indeed I don’t even work for Go (I used to, but not any more) and as such I don’t give a monkeys as to who is best, mostly because neither can match up to what I do, and who I work for, now - it's like chalk and cheese !

In any event my posting above is merely meant to make the point about the low-cost folks historic perspective, against where they are now.

That said, I was never aware that Go had paid-off outstanding bonds ?! but in any event, so long as the pilot works the contractual notice period and that their employer is not out of pocket w.r.t. any remaining type-rating bond, who cares ?!

Incidentally, a little birdy tells me that Go will now only take B737 type rated pilots - it was mentioned as a cost saving measure in Bab's most recent memo to all the staff.

Nb. It's also been rumoured that over one hundred BA LGW(EOG) 737 pilot have suddenly (in the last 10 days) applied to Go.

(somewhat cynically) It's just a shame about those non-typerated pilots who, until last week, had start dates, course dates, who'd resigned from their previous jobs, who'd moved their families (some from far afield), but who've since been made redundant by Go. Uhm, is that legal ?

DA. I have to agree, I am non type rated and just had my interview cancelled, I am lucky that I still have a job at the end of the day but I think the interviews that had been arranged should have gone ahead out of pure decency as in the not to distant future they will probably be grateful to interview me. They should look after interested pilots for future needs, and yes I feel sorry for those out of work but if I had been taken on I would have still left a slot.