Should Ryan Air Pilots Strike???
 

:)If that idiot O'leary decided to go on strike today, what would happen tomorrow?? ....Nothing, absolutely nothing! The Company would still function normally and no disruption would occur. Therefore, his contribution to the daily operations of Ryan Air IMO is meaningless.

If Ryan Air Pilots were brave enough to go on strike today or indeed call in sick on masse, the Company operations would be crippled tomorrow. Therefore we actually have all the power and I suggest its about time we used some of it.

Yes, it is conceivable that not all bases would be supportive, but not all bases are needed for it to hurt the Company. In fact just one major base like Dublin would achieve excellent results.

Yes it would affect our livelihood and it also presents some risk, but hey, life wasnt meant to be easy. It is a necessary sacrafice that we all should make united as one.

Sure, it would hurt many thousands of innocent passengers, however most of those pax actually believe the BS propaganda that O'leary & Co often spin about us and hence there is probably little sympathy from travelling pax anyhow.

We need to look after ourselves and our profession and to strike is a last resort measure, one which is well overdue. Personally I would support such action to show that clown O'leary, who is really boss!!

Over to you guys now for opinions pls.

they have neither the brains or the balls!

The 70`s and 80`s are long gone - striking never helped anyone.

If one is unhappy in employment then change companies or find another profession.

im not very experienced still being a student pilot but i think that Ryanair would just take pick of the many pilots who would do anything to fly a 737 :}. I think the current pilots who just get laid off...

Just my opinion... im probably wrong :8 lol.

If you are one of the sissy's that paid for your own TR, you're not going to go on strike are you?

If you take a mildly selfish view then its a great idea. Go on strike and try and improve the T&C's but have another job lined up cos you will need it once the dust has settled. One thing is for sure and that MOL will get revenge eventually. Just look at how he has worn down the Dublin pilots who held out for the 800 rating.

I think what FR needs is a regime change starting at the top. Also another couple of big court losses wouldn't go amiss.

Let's not get carried away here: 401 mill Euros profit in the last year. Pilots get paid, cabin crew get paid, everyone gets paid. Chill.

wont happen........his principle and sucess is down to a 'divide and conquer' strategy..........

Does not make a difference if I'm FR or not, but Curious to know if the orignator of this thread is a FR pilot? If not... are you going to lead the way for a strike, and pay strike benefits for those who elect to walk out on your learned advice? I love the arm chair quarterbacks... full of advise and empty of experience.

This has been hardly an encouraging list of responses. It's to be expected I suppose, given Ryan Air is full of Pilots who have essentially 'bought' themselves an airline Job and even worse, probably worked for free at some stage. This is often referred to as 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.

It's no wonder that our industry is going down the drain. Thanks to that horrible word, CADET. People who go and work for the likes of M&S and then wake up one morning and suddenly say "I want to be an airline pilot" and then buy themselves a job.

Then in the process, happily bend over and be screwed by someone like O'leary.

Thanks for vandalising what was once a prestigiuos career.

00cock
So if you work for the 'likes of M&S' you basically have not rights to become an airline pilot because they are spoiling it for the lucky few and any airline that takes you will be 'scrapping the bottom of the barrel,?
Who the :mad: do you think you are!!

Some people born with out daddies money or have missed the chance of a BA sponsorship have had to work hard for many years in the likes of M&S before they can even dream of affording the training to become an airline pilot.
Don't blame the cadets. They are a product of all the FTO's and Airlines since 9/11. The FTO's sell the dream very well and the airlines then take advantage as by the time they get to the likes of MOL they are that financially committed there is no other option for them with out drowning in debt.

As for whether or not the ryanair pilots strike its their decision and I feel sure that if it ever is discused it would not be on a public forum such as this.
F&F

Brilliant, fantastic even....."00cock", the ultimate insult. Wish I thought of that.

Dude,

:)take two asprin and see your Doctor if pain persists....oh and by the way, whislt you're at the chemist, buy a jar of vaseline because you're going to need it!!

What a delightfully informing mature thread, obviously makes people happy throwing insults at random people?

Attitude goes a long way to making a profession look professional.....

YYZ

OO seven,

You speak of "Ryan Air" and NOT "Ryanair".

I reckon you work for someone else.

I think it would be far more effective if we actually worked together for better T&C's than blaming each other for our current situation. By arguing all the time we are simply playing right into FR's hands, and handing victory to them on a plate. We need to get organised and fight the real problem which is FR, not each other.:ugh:

The aviation market has changed beyond recognition since 9/11, and it's not just 'cadets' who have caused these problems. Flying a pax a/c has got a lot more expensive in recent years, with fuel prices, insurance costs, increased competition, increasing taxes and airport charges, environmental pressures, growing acquisition and leasing costs, higher engineering costs etc etc, meaning that costs have to be reduced elsewhere. One of the easiest places to cut back expenditure is obviously crew wages and T&C's, and getting the most out of your assets, hence flying upto 100hrs a month.

Long gone are the days where you could fly 50-60hrs a month and expect to get well paid, the money simply isn't there to support it.

Simply coming onto pprune a spouting a load of b:mad:ks about cadets causing all the problems just shows a complete and utter lack of intelligence and understanding of the current commercial aviation situation!:ugh: Seriously, more Flight International, less pprune!!

We desperately need less lethargy and more action. Ask yourself this, what have you done recently to improve the situation in FR?

Flaps5speed180 - situation well summed up........

Yawn

SITW

Quoating 00clock

Brilliant, fantastic even....."00cock", the ultimate insult. Wish I thought of that.

Dude,

:)take two asprin and see your Doctor if pain persists....oh and by the way, whislt you're at the chemist, buy a jar of vaseline because you're going to need it!!

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You could go the doctors as well, but not for vasaline more so for your vocal diarrhoea.[ doctors prescription could well be to ask you to keep your mouth shut for sometime} and get some sickness tablets for the rest of us who have to listen to such crap.

Hi,
I think Flaps5speed180 has highlighted very relevant points re the Aviation industry. If the energy experts are to be believed then things are due to get much worse i.e with peak oil fast approaching, if not already passed, oil prices are set to soar in the next decade.
Climate change is a huge political issue. Here in Ireland the Green Party has just become a member of the ruling coalition government for the first time. An energy tax has been promised which will significantly affect low cost carriers like Ryanair. I believe the British Chancellor of the Exchequer has proposed a similar tax.
I know MOL is an arrogant individual who doesn't believe in consulation etc but he has helped hundreds if not thousands of young people realise their ambition to become a commercial pilot. Sure he availed of prevailing conditions post 911 and introduced the dreaded SSTR, but instead of blaming cadets who had no job or representation, why not blame existing pilots and their unions for not preventing it.
My son is an FO with FR and not bonded as a result of paying his own type rating. He earns pretty good money and is building his hours rapidly. He is not a great fan of FR but is happy that he is doing a job he loves and hopefully in a few years will have the experience and hours to move to one of the major carriers.

The strategy of Ryanair is to destroy the competition. The harder your son works for Ryanair the more the opposition is destroyed. In the future, your boys only option may be to stay with the monster he has helped create.

MOL really plays his staff like puppets, he's knows all too well that all the young low houred F/O's are up to there neck in debt, unless it was going to be an all out strike (there's always going to be scabs out there who will try and profit) there just putting there head in the noose, for every 1 he gets rid of there's 10 ready to take his place. the good old day flying BAC 1-11's for Dan Air have gone accept it, if you don't like the job do something else and fly for fun, to hire a 152 nowadays is 100 quid an hour, and for something decent its going to be 300 quid, but you do have the freedom to fly were you want when you want and how you want!

Start an Airline MOL has made plenty of money out of it!!!

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Nail on the head. There won't be jobs to move onto for most of the "hour-builders" in ryr. Time to sort things here and now cos ladies and gents cos ryr is only job most of you will ever know. Many don't see it yet, but their short-sightedness will bite them, and everyone else, one day.
The hard fact is that every day you labour for ryr is another chip away at your chances of a rewarding career. Short term illusion of gain but long term you got nothing.

"the good old day flying BAC 1-11's for Dan Air have gone accept it, if you don't like the job do something else "

Hollywood285.. I fail to see the relevance of your comment.

From your age I can say you never flew the 1-11 at Dans !

I am an ex Ryan driver,now at the Orange crowd, flying with excellent skippers, like the one last week who flew 1-11's..

The industry is changing. It is now becoming a rarity for guys and girls to NOT pay for type ratings. MOL is only part of the disease.

My uncle was a skipper with them for 30 years, I feel like I've flown everyone of them! What i'm trying to say is the conditions for this high profile job i.e. Airline Captain not as good as they were back in the 80's and the way the worlds going will never be.
BTW I did fly DAN AIR, but was only 8 years old and had an hour in the cockpit(the day i decided i wanted to fly aircraft), them days have also gone:sad::sad:

You didn't by any chance fund your own CPL? I guess you're one of them then... except these days a CPL won't get you a job, but a frozen atpl and suitable rating might. The requirements may have been upped but if you think you didn't "buy your job" yourself then pinch your arm and wake up. If you take out the people who didn't fund any training of their own you leave the airline sponsored cadets and airforce guys and how abundant are they? Personally I fail to see the distinction between paying for a frozen atpl and paying for a rating.

Well put. not much point having a frozen ATPL and the only thing you can fly is a 152 with a Green license.

I have never once paid for a rating in 20 years , but that would not stop me if i knew it would help me get the job,

‘Ryan Air is full of Pilots who have essentially 'bought' themselves an airline Job’

Do you mean like medical and law students or teachers etc running into thousands of pound of debt to qualify?

Do you feel equally contemptuous of those who buy private education for their children. That surely is partly about ‘buying’ a job!

If you think that it is Ryanair pilots that are the cause of the change in the aviation industry you clearly live in the fantasy world your title suggests.

The likes of Laker fortunately set the ball rolling for the big change in perceptions of air travel when the masses suddenly saw that it was possible to travel relatively cheaply and no longer the prerogative of the rich. Providing cheap flights and surviving requires a different business plan to that employed by earlier attempts. The likes of Ryanair and others have adopted different models and doubtlessly accelerated the process in recent years.

In 1960 I paid £33 single to fly to Malta, I was earning £6 a week working fulltime. Thank god for the change even if the feathers of some who wish to live in the past and impress their neighbours by their prestigious occupation are ruffled.

Destroying your prestige needs no support from Ryanair pilots, comments like yours adequately do the job. ‘Scraping the barrel’ is closer to home, I think!

Suggest you grind your axe on another stone.

Ahhh the perpetual Ryanair thread!

00Seven, I find your comments to be ill conceived and way past the mark. What qualifications do you have? Your info says nothing? Cadet? ex-mil? self sponsor? nothing?

In the current environment there are very few possibilies for attaining an ATPL without significant financial outlay. The main ones of these being obviously the military and cadet courses. Both of these require extensive interviewing, hard work and commitment. Also both of these tend to have or have had a vast number more applicants than available places. With the death of most cadet schemes post 9/11 this route has become even more difficult.

So where does that leave to rest of the people? Self sponsorship.

Then, looking to the future you have a pilot who has had the courage to put themselves financially on the line, have to conviction to attribute 2 years of their lives to attaining their 'dream' career and the will to see it through to the end despite a difficult job market. Also, with many individuals financing themselves with a second job (e.g. M&S) shows the deep level of commitment and hard work these people put in.

Unfortunately it is the high and mighty who have already made millions on the backs of their employees who have soured the profession we see today NOT the pilots or the cadets. Followed closely by the managers who either just want the cash or who are too scared to point out the companies failings. Who can blame anybody for wanting a job after having to fork out such huge capital sums. It is MOL who is exploiting thsese people by creating such derisiory T&C's. Any job is better than no job at the end of the day.

Instead of backbiting at the employees, it is a co-ordinated effort to cut off the snakes head and replace the senior managment with a more people friendly regieme that is required. Why does Easy do so well with its people? Because they listen and take action when required. Until MOL is removed he will continue to laugh all the way to the bank and his co-horts with him.

I think Ryan Air has a very professional bunch of flight crew who have to work and cope in an aggressive and unfriendly atmosphere. I look forward to the day when the company can be run in a better more open manner.

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W2P

Wobble2Plank....An excellent post! Thank you for getting back on thread.