Condor/Cirrus B757
 

Does anyone have any inside information on this? Cirrus are to operate 3 Condor B757s crewed by 50 contract pilots supplied by PAS, based CGN/FRA/STR from June 1st. The eventual plan is for 6 Condor aircraft to be operated by Cirrus & contract pilots.

Any information on how/why this agreement came about and how long it is for appreciated.

Did apply for the job but the package was not very good.
If they look for contract people they have to be willing to pay a bit more money in my eyes.

Neil

Air berlin is going to buy Cirrus or Condor ? Condor is owned by Lufthansa and Cirrus is a partner of Lufthansa ...

invisiblemoon your right got my names wrong ,was thinking about LTU.
Air berlin apperantly is interested in them

thanks for correcting me

Neil

That's already history I'm afraid !

LTU has been bought by Air Berlin a couple of weeks ago :}

Bugger i turn my back on the news for a month and everything is happening.
Did they also buy DBA?

Neil

Yes, they've done that too :{

cool,
to come back to the subject i was also wondering why Condor was letting cirrus operate there flights

Neil

Bacause of a lack of pilots.
LH is putting all pilots to the mainline and LH Cargo and they are hardly struggeling finding suitable Pilots. Because Codor will be sold anyway nearly no one of the LH pilots is now willing to move to Condor.

rgds

I don't know but the informations supplied bi B757_pilot are 100% correct ...

That's a shame for the Cirrus turboprop drivers who are not earning this kind of money, to say the least :uhoh:

Will the pilots at Condor be stuck over there, not allowed to move to LH Cargo or LH mainline? How will that work now?

No, they wont as long as they get the current normal contracts based on the lufthansa general contract (Konzerntarifvertrag). Future contracts could be different and as far as i know there are allready some talks between the pilot union and condor management about that.

Will be interesting in the next two years since most german airlines at the moment have a real problem with their crewing levels, mostly due to inferior terms and conditions compared to other airlines who do operate out of and into germany.

Interview Info
 

Looking for information on interview process for Cirrus through Pas Aviation contract. Direct Entry Captain Position

The deal between condor and cirrus has been called off, that's my last info according to a yet to be confirmed memo from the management. However, there seems to be a lack of FOs during summer and autumn. So there might be some temporary positions, but T's and C's are not fixed yet.

@oncentreline
 

...The deal between condor and cirrus has been called off,

Are you sure? When was it called off?

It is cancelled because otherwise
Condor and LH Mainline would go for strike.
The Cirrus "contract" would have broken the contracts between LH Pilots and Management!

@ hetfield
 

check your pm

oncenterline

Please can you elaborate on your mail.

The last I heard of this yesterday was that all is going ahead as planned, but that there is a considerable amount of disinformation being thrown around by those who have an interest in this not going ahead!!!

Flughund,
you might as well be right, I agree that very often disinformation is spread to disguise the true intentions.
Right now I cannot go into the details I know about the negotiations because the final result is still pending and thus revealing any details here could put me in trouble.
What I can tell you (if you don't know already;)) that there are negotiations between VC (German ALPA) and the Condor management concerning various issues, and that certainly includes a possible deal between Condor and Cirrus.
A result should be achieved on thursday, so let's wait until then...

hetfield,
what were you trying to say with your last post???:confused:

@oncentreline
 

Just kidding a bit, don't worry;).

The contract between cirrus and condor has an option for condor to pull out of the deal immediately whenever they want.

At the moment there is no pilot shortage at condor as they have more pilots than last year and the same number of planes. It is basicly a try to flag part of the operation out in preparation for a merger with air berlin.

Does anyone have any information about the sim profile, the interview and the psychometric tests? (For First Officer assessment)

You still have an assessment for the cirrus job? That deal is pulled off in a deal between the VC (german ALPA) and Lufthansa/Condor.

IT2Pilot,
I assume that only applications of pilots with a 757/767 typerating will be accepted. So if you have some experience on either one, the SIM should not be a problem.The SIMs used are for 757-200 with PW2040 and for 767-300 with PW4062.
I would expect some basic raw data flying, some approaches and maybe a couple of abnormals, but nothing really nasty. They will certainly look into your CRM skills. The check pilots are pretty straightforward and fair and do not intend to make you look like a fool. Basically be yourself, practice good airmanship and know the basics of your aircraft. A review of aircraft systems is never a bad idea.
On the interview and the psychometric tests, I do not know, but I assume that just being yourself and not pushing it too hard would be the best.

oncenterline

The SIM used by Cirrus Condor for selection is actually a B737-300/500 X2 at Lufthansa Flight Training FRA NOT a B757 one.

Denti

You are wrong! The agreement is NOT all off. Due to the agreement with Condor and the Union (VC) currently only FO's are now being selected. What oncenterline says is right that they must have the TR on the B757 however hours are not so important. I know a couple of guys who have just come directly out of Bond Aviation (Astraeus) who have selected and been contracted, with only the base check done.
BD

Am I checking the wrong web page?

Condor web site mentions age limits (which I dont fulfil)
and language requisites, to speak German (which I, also, do not fulfil).
and nothing is mentioned towards B757. Just for A320.
Are the above requisites being strictly applied?

Cheers,
Zero

@ bob down
very interesting to read that screening is done on a 737-SIM. Is that for 757-applicants? If you have it, I would appreciate any information about T's and C's.

@ zerograv
I've checked the website and I am quite sure that the FO-positions offered on the A320 are permanent, unlike the FO-positions on the 757 which most probably will only be time-limited. So the requirements for the 757 regarding language and age will be different.
Btw, the operator of A320 is CondorBerlin, of 757 and 767 it's Condor, so formally two different companies.

oncenterline
Not so strange for B737 to be used for the B757 selection. Cirrus (who I know VERY well) use a Dash-8 SIM for the selection for their Do328, E170 AND B737 potential pilots. Cityjet use a B737-200 SIM to select the ARJ/BAe146 pilots, so it is not uncommon, although I suspect that that is more due to SIM slots at the overcrowded BAe146/ARJ sims!!!
I will PM you what I know of the T's and C's.
BD

Were there any developments? Any one called for interview and/or sim?

Cheers,
Zero

The contract for captains has been withdrawn last month
rgds