So what are the plans for GT's services from MAN to MLA, PFO, FS and HER? Are these going to revert to a full-service product?

guys as we said the 1st of march is not far but something tells me it will be nothing quite so dramatic as some people have it in here.LGW SF won t close....new people to come and good luck to them

a stretch to far
 

GB are moving to Jubilee House on 1st March 737's are to be joined by Airbuses at Single Fleet Gatwick (SFG) as form March also so I doubt that GB will be taking over routes to run them on these aircraft otherwise why would they convert us.

Personally I can't see a private airline with a fleet of 15 Airbus aircraft taking over a BA base with far more (33) 737/400/500/300 and of course 777 boeings (around 15??)

Okay this is a rumour mill but lets not fantasise. If anything I would say some new routes some swaped routes or maybe they just want to welcome GB to a new place of working. If we get BAConed (a phrase that alwasy makes me hungry) I think certainly 1400 crew would leave in droves, there'e plenty of work out there at the moment.

GB are going to take over all LGW domestic routes and also the LHR shuttle routes flying W patterns out of LGW. LHR shorthaul is to be sold to BACon to be sold to FlyBe and Willy Walsh was heard to say in the Nags Head "I hate short haul with a passion. FOOLS, I'LL DESTROY THEM ALL!!! MWAHAHAHAHA"

Well everybody else is talking b****x so I thought I might as well join in.

as flightrider said....

Route swap with BA.

Longer BA Gatwick routes like Izmir, Reykjavik, Varna etc will become GB operations. A320s are much more efficient on these sectors, particularly as BA's 737-400s are payload limited on the return ADB-LGW sectors etc and have limitations on payload on KEF due to diversion alternates.

In return, short GB routes like Nantes and Montpellier will move to BA in return. BA can also use 737-500s on these routes to grow flight frequency and maintain year-round service which is not viable with the A320.

One set of LHR slots to be sold to BA. Double-daily Malaga and single Casablanca to be maintained, the daily LHR/Faro will disappear and be replaced with an extra frequency ex LGW.

LGW your gonna be Baconed!! somebody said that as they are recruiting then it cant possibly happen WELL Bacon are STILL recruiting now! so please dont take recruitment as a sign that alls well.

i think you would find the majority of lgw crew would love to be bacon'd as you forget 3 magic little letters.....NSP

what trash
 

BACon aren't recruiting the new BA Cityfler is for LCY base which is not part of the FlyBE deal as for everyone else who posts with such authority where do you get it from??? BA are putting Airbuses back at LGW why would they do this if going to shorter routes and moving longer routes to GB and their airbuses - makes no sense.

OH yea the NSP!!!! everyone will stand behind that and say were untouchable!! wake up!! Willy can get around that easly enough you watch. Remember he has effectivly got rid of 1900 workers in the regions and not even a ripple of bad press has come from it so LGW is not going to give him to many sleepless nights.

correct marlowe.......... N S....P! which means as we are holding a british airweays pls contract will have to be offered other options like they did to LGW WW crew... but then again nothing like that...I am wondering people like you marlowe will u be around on the 1st of march to talk the same non sense....no offence matey but this is non sense

MATT101 BACON were recruiting for BHX, course is just coming online now so get facts correct .

newbagr are you new to BA? cos you are sounding a little naive all BA have to do is set up a new company name ,they have hundreds at company house then you offer new terms and conditions make you redundant and recruit again as its a new company, its a new job ,so then your currant job is effectively redundant then they can employ who they like just ask the EDI BACON crews how it works.

no offence...but what is your problem??? to start with how can u know that something like that? all u can do is some wishful thinking? Why u passionate about LGW closing down or becoming a franchise??? if that was the case then there would be an announcement at LGW SF too on the 1st of March....with new routes coming up for SH and LH its highly unlikely or even impossible that something will happen!

something like that will happen even!hahaha my typing is so crap today!:-)

Newbagr i have nothing against LGW but what you have to realise is that under Willy change is happening in BA and in aviation generally, you can quote me the magic NPS all day long but at the end of the day he can get around it if he wishes. Sure it will be a little messy and people will be outraged but it can be done . clutching to the NSP shield and saying it wont happen is a little like an ostrich burying its head in the sand .Willies already seen off BASSA, and would LHR back up LGW? and theres no support from the regions because Willies dealt with them already .

He might have a rather greater challenge if he tries to break the BA pilots' Scope agreement. He certainly didn't see BALPA off in the last lot of negotiations. They ran rings around him, and they won't stand for the loss of 300 positions/150 commands at a time of career stagnation.

Marlowe
1900 was the number of BACON staff only. It did not include all the ramp staff/dispatchers/checkin staff & meeters and greeters at BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, ABZ and the rest who are all on MAINLINE contracts. But it will be ok because of the NSP!!!! I agree with the rest of your post.
BACON are recruiting at present for the E145 at all bases because of the number of leavers who, up until now, did not believe it could happen to them.

Newbagr
Willie will share transfer you to GB - leaving no requirement to change your terms and conditions - for a while, as is the definition of having been BACONED. You let him away with trying it out up north on those less worthy and now he is going to do you!

whatever
 

"MATT101 BACON were recruiting for BHX, course is just coming online now so get facts correct ."

BACon WERE recruiting for BHX you answered that question yourself and they WERE doing that a while ago now. BACon are no longer recruiting as you tried to point out earlier, BA Cityflyer are.

guys i am sure WW is pretty tough and will not tolerate any part of the company not making profit...but SFGatwick just started.....and joined the NSP ..ok the NSP is maybe nothing but surely we cant be receiving emails about how successful the fleet is at the moment and then closing us! And an other thing is that before you were talking about what would be announced on the 1st of march and now you are talking about what Willie could do in the future!

ok so spaceman we definitely GB from 1st of march??:-)

This thread is going over to Terms & Endearment where you can speculate to your hearts content about the future of GB/BA etc. However, I'd like to ask all the wannabe airline CEO's and other assorted enthusiasts to refrain from degrading this thread into another spotters wishlist of what aircraft they's like to see doing what routes. :ugh:

how many times......

Route swap with BA.

Longer BA Gatwick routes like Izmir, Reykjavik, Varna etc will become GB operations. A320s are much more efficient on these sectors, particularly as BA's 737-400s are payload limited on the return ADB-LGW sectors etc and have limitations on payload on KEF due to diversion alternates.

In return, short GB routes like Nantes and Montpellier will move to BA in return. BA can also use 737-500s on these routes to grow flight frequency and maintain year-round service which is not viable with the A320.

One set of LHR slots to be sold to BA. Double-daily Malaga and single Casablanca to be maintained, the daily LHR/Faro will disappear and be replaced with an extra frequency ex LGW.

newbagr Bacon staff were told that things were going well when they started the Buy on Board service how it was saving millions for the company hmmm GB do that service now!!!!!

this thread is complete an utter nonsense, mainly coming from bitter BACON

guys i do undestand you are upset and frustrated of what happened to BAcon though pls no point in being vindictive and trying to take it out on us! you cant really spread rumours of what you d wish to happen!

BA will sell SHAG to GB and bring back Concorde to Gatwick. Honest.

guys in your wildest BACON dreams lets just say it happened and you keep quoting how bad it was for those it happened to (which it was)

well to those it happened to, they were not in the NSP, yes I keep coming back to those 3 magic little letters. these mean that in the same way MAN base was closed and the staff were in NSP, they were allowed to transfer to LHR WW - please remember LGW IS NOW A MAINLINE BASE!!!

true, all LGW staff could be made redundant, but that isnt possible within 3 months of BA hiring crew (which they are doing now), also BA is about to start a campaign of hiring crew for summer at LHR WW so again this would be illegal, also it would have to be done on last in first out under the NSP, so some crew who are now at LHR would be made redundant before more senior LGW crew!!!

guys stop getting your little knickers in a twist, trying to make yourselves feel better by hoping what happened to you happens to others, if you want to know what is happening on 1st march - check flightriders post on here

Smell the coffee
 

Come on guys smell the coffee :) You are working the system and failing and playing into the presses hands........lets just see what happens over the next few days. After we are all grown ups ??????????????? or am i WRONG.

As I said
"wait and see"

wait and see indeed spaceman!!! Will you be posting a grovelling apology if things do not go as you foresee? so much hype and bitterness . .....

no from 1st of march he will not even be posting...haha

newbagr -Yes I shall still be posting and will have little need to apologise. Where has your new bound confidence come from all of a sudden? :D

well that went well.... I think everything got covered .. just need to wait for the announcement then !:)

When people have commented about "NSP" and such-like, BA have unique status in the UK in that there is an agreement that no one holding a BA Main Line contract will be made redundant without first being offered a job elsewhere in the company!

BACON was different as nearly all staff were employed under "BA Regional" or "BA CityFlyer Express" contracts. The handful who are on BA Mainline contracts do have the right to be offered redeployment and AFAIK these discussions with their TU reps are on-going, but as with everything else in BA, they need to fight to get this agreement honoured!

The BA Board are very proud of the fact that no one at British Airways plc has ever been made redundant and are very unlikely to let Willie Walsh rescind that agreement.

Most operational staff at BA LGW who joined prior to 2003 are on BA MAINLINE contracts which means that they would have to be offered redeployment elsewhere in the company, or accept a new contract under the Transfer of Undertaking agreement. Once again, British Airways plc is not just going to offer this on a plate - the guys will need to slug it out through their TU reps!

Those who joined after 2003 will find their contract is held with either BA - Gatwick and Regional or BA City Express and these guys could have something to be concerned about!

The Flying Staff on the other hand are not as they accepted new BA LGW contracts when the "Mid Fleet" agreement was made.

Just one example of why BA needs to hang on to its Trades Union for dear life!

"no one holding a BA Main Line contract will be made redundant without first being offered a job elsewhere in the company! "

Now it is possible to be mistaken about assumptions made here. This is why Willie had to find a buyer for BACON. If he had just closed it down, then as a subsiduary, the workforce at BACON would have been entitled to the same protection. In law, you cannot make someone redundant in one part of a company whilst recruiting in another including a subsiduary. This is the reason why the cadets which were not required by BA mainline post 9/11 were slotted into Citiexpress and remained there for nearly 2 years.

Also be aware that a job elsewhere in the company is not necessarily as a pilot, it could be check in, baggage handling....etc

Someone else sai " you guys need to wake up and smell the coffee"!

The aviation world has changed and Willie is here for one reason only. He has the will and the intricate knowledge of employment law to do a Thatcher.

wait and see

aspaceman, more like alemonman.....you are soooo bitter its untrue

just cos you have been f****d over it doesnt mean the rest of BA has to be.

LGW is a British Airways Mainline base, not some tinpot regional affair that you belonged to.

Get over yourself, your BACON is starting to smell!!!

ooooh! Sony Bitttter or what?

Remember that to LHR, Gatwick SFG is a tinpot regional affair that.....!

PS
I left Citiexpress 4 years ago to work at L... before it all went tits up

Except that the cadets were not employed by BA and had no contract of employment with BA, thus there was no requirement for BA to employ them anywhere. But as you say,

Carnage Matey

As everyone tries to keep telling our little space cadet, all the regions were not on mainline BA contracts. You have told him, I have told him, about another 30 posts on this thread have told him...... :ugh:

Hmmmmmm
 

Quoting aspaceman

"Longhaul not part of the deal - Operated by LHR based crew with existing crew transferred to LHR"

All cabin crew at LGW now fly Long and Short Haul. If this (doubtful) outcome were to come to pass how would they choose which crew stayed at GB and which crew transferred to LHR?

They are all one fleet now. Sorry but this sounds like a crock!