litebulb, in the shorthaul arena easyjet are comparable payers to BA. Time to command at easy jet is relatively short when compared to BA, currently it takes a BA pilot 7 years to a LGW command 11 years for LHR SH command with starting pay at under 70K.Only after about 18 years do Short Haul Commanders start to pull away from the LOCOs pay. However after that time most have transfered to a LH command where if you do your research pay is comparable to that at Virgin where they fly only 750 hours pa.:ok:
Of course overall costs are higher because BA make a larger pension contribution for us.:)
But as WW said being the market leader means you need to pay market leading wages........ I believe you have a market leading wage also.:ok:

Keep looking over the fence litebulb:*

So, you are saying that he is not looking then and is happy with the wage structure within BA FD?

Just illustrating to you litebulb that your previous post on FD pay was tosh:ok: :ok:
Quite what WW wants and does'nt want who knows, although there are many on this forum who pretend that they know:yuk:

Tosh?

Well you can drift between loco's and Virgin scales if you want, picking the bits that suit your arguement, but at the end of day the loco commander is capped at £70k. Virgin fleet size in the 30's, easy in the 100's, where are the jobs going to be?

Locos pay capped at 70K I think not....................... wrong again!!! As usual!! It seems evry time you open your mouth a lie comes out, sure your not managment?

Go away, do some research then come back and admit your wrong!

Willy wants market rate pay and the flight crew are market rate, as determined by benchmarking against similar airlines of BAs choosing. It's not a matter of picking and choosing suitable bits of each argument. For every BA short haul Captain who is earning above the Easy captain there's a captain who has got his command earlier and so is earning less than the market rate. It all balances out and both BALPA and BA have the data to prove it. Even our own ruthless management don't claim we are above market rate. I sleep soundly knowing I can justify both my pay and my productivity. Where the jobs are is completely irrelevant. BA aren't interested in where the jobs are, they are interested in how they crew their fleet.

Appologies Dog

£80K capped.

Carnage, if you can sleep soundly, then that is great. I, at no point have ever said you and your colleagues should loose money, but if I was a gambling man, I bet that converation has gone on at the BA top table and will continue to go on.

keep doing the research litebulb:ugh: :ugh: :rolleyes:

I'm an orange loco left hand seater. Been in six years and now take gross about £95k plus employers pension contribution about (£7k). With my share options worth about £80k I'd say we're on a bit more than what you'd like to think lightbulb.

£95K basic, I stand corrected.

Thank you Rick, pension aside, thats more than most of our SH P1s up to about pp16 ish.
Out of intereast do you do the whole 900 hours pa??

Litebulbs please do your research before you start posting ill informed information. Its what is killing this industry off as it is anyway. Everybodies pay is benchmarked at some stage and just as any industry the MARKET decides what pay is going around.

I came over from EZY to fly for BA and so have seen both sides of the coin (and as Rick Binson has said, have given up a lot of money!!!) which will take me years and years to earn back. Not even sure if it ever will be earned back.
(and rest assured longhaul is a completely different ball game then shorthaul)

We can reason with a reasonable Management. What I am sick and tired off is the employees in the UK at the moment being ripped off LEFT/RIGHT AND CENTER whilst our fat cats in the city are living it up. All helped by a sh!t government with no morals and Robber Brown killing off most Final Salary Pension schemes.

Leadership filters through the ranks from top to bottom. And effective leadership will mean good communication hopefully with a long term view of sustainability. BA needs quality pilots and will pay for quality.
We give our professionalism. As long as the trust can be restored between both parties BA have got themselves a GEM of a workforce

Err, when did I attack what you get paid?

then it was 80K and now 95k. Maybe not "attacked| but by giving out ill informed information not helping anyone either

Litebulbs - if you don't stop having a go at my pay I will be forced to report you to BASSA for bullying and harassment.:E

LOL! Carnage!

Pilots get paid well and rightly so. Within my trade their is a variation of about a couple of £1000 either way on market rate, (BA on the lower side). It appears that their is a bigger variation within the flight deck community. If their isn't, then as you said CM, you can sleep soundly.

Just to correct an error. The basic is £75k. Sector pay at £23 (fully taxable) and a loyalty bonus of 5% of basic after 2 years, 10% of basic after 5 years and 15% of basic after 10 years.

All of this makes up the £95k, add on the pension contributions and it's about £102k all in. That's a final final figure :ok:

Do anywhere between 700 to 900 hours a year.

Actually, 34% of sector pay is tax-free so that makes it look even better. Also the two sector payments triggered by each nightstop away from home base are fully tax-free.

Purely out of interest, didn't BA BALPA members vote for strike action in July 1996 over the T&Cs at LGW? IIRC, the strike never took place, as BALPA and Ayling came to settlement over the LGW issue.

Thanks for info Rick, if only to stop me looking a complete idiot, now just an idiot!