BA CityFlyer
 

So, now that Evans and co have revealed their LCY operation who would want to work for them?.
Looks like the management are staying in Manchester, to continue the poor performance they have put in with Citiexpress & BACON....

ah but did you notice that most of them would be stepping down from their positions once the company has been "established"??

Yes- tens of thousands more into thier final salery pensions and then on to the next job from WWW.Nepotism.com

Why these people have not been paraded around the regional bases and put right I do not know. Surprised MOL has not headhunted these muppets.:}

Well, I for one have bid to go to EDI as my first choice on the latest bid form. Not sure the company has any long term future, but at least I'll stay on a real aeroplane and have a bit more breathing space while I try and find another job.

The only other thing on the table is to continue flying the 146 until its demise, and then fly a Q400 based in Timbuktu. Its pretty obvious there won't be enough seats in MAN for everyone. If Uncle Brian says I can't have a command at FlyBe then all I have to look forward to is FlyBe RHS TP pay, which hasn't been brought into line with their Jet payscales.

All in all I don't think I have anything to lose.

tallaonehotel - As the rest of us are not privy to what Evans & Co have "revealed" about the LCY operation, any chance you could fill us in (just a curiousity request, that's all). Cheers, and good luck to all in the big "BA-con" for whatever the future holds.

And I think we'd all be interested in the routes that these 10 RJ aircraft are going to be operating out of EDI?

Or have they kept a few prime routes back from Flybe - allowing some continued operation through MAN and BHX?

And allowing the Didsbury based management to fly occasionally. Hope Carl is up to LCY landings - else he'll be in the RHS for 6 months like all those he has sent that way. :D

All that has been released so far is who will be doing what, post holders etc and possible vacancies for Connect staff.
(90 flight deck & 130 cabin crew)
Main Operating base: Edinburgh
Head Office: Pioneer House, Didsbury.
No news on routes yet, where else do the Royal Bank of Scotland need to send their staff?
As for the fleet, I am still under the impression 2 RJ's are still up for return in the spring XAR & XAS.
The information for both FLYBe and CityFlyer is starting to filter through day by day.

Skianyn Vannin:

"Well, I for one have bid to go to EDI as my first choice on the latest bid form. Not sure the company has any long term future, but at least I'll stay on a real aeroplane and have a bit more breathing space while I try and find another job.

The only other thing on the table is to continue flying the 146 until its demise, and then fly a Q400 based in Timbuktu. Its pretty obvious there won't be enough seats in MAN for everyone. If Uncle Brian says I can't have a command at FlyBe then all I have to look forward to is FlyBe RHS TP pay, which hasn't been brought into line with their Jet payscales.

All in all I don't think I have anything to lose."

Thank god - doesn't sound like Flybe would want you anyway! "A real aeroplane" - yes because the Q400 is a pretend one with fake wings and engines and doesn't really fly, it nips on to the M74 when no one is watching to make the journey up and down the country, and hops on the P&O out of SOU when it has to go into Europe.

How do you figure there won't be enough seats in MAN. Have you looked at the proposed aircraft base plan on www.nextgenerationairline.com ?? 11 aircraft in MAN which will then be replaced in turn by Q400s and no doubt some 195s. And I wasn't aware that our bases where overly different from those your company offered. IOM and INV and more tibuktu than NWI and EXT. You have bid to move to EDI on the RJ, but you wouldn't consider moving to GLA, EDI, BHX, SOU with Flybe because at Flybe these places are tibuktu?? You do know we operate from GLA not PIK right?

As for RHS pay on the Q400, do you honestly think Flybe can force you to take a pay cut? No, if you are not offered command on the Q400 (which it sounds like you more than have the hours for) your salary will be red-ringed until our salaries catch up.

Here's an idea ... why not try Flybe - they aren't charging you! You will more than likely get promoted, get a bigger salary than you are on now, and they can't bond you for the Q400 rating, so you in fact have plenty of breathing space here whilst deciding whether to look for another job or not. Who knows, you might even find that Flybe has career prospects compared to BA CityFlyer with a stagnant workforce on a fleet of old RJ100s?

Just a thought mind. Oh and by the way, you come and land the Q400 in winds gusting 40 knots and try and get a good landing at the end, and then tell us all at Flybe that its not a real aeroplane, and that its just a !!!! turboprop. I look forward to shaking your sweat covered hand!

Just a thought as well, I know that there are intense negotiations in progress at the moment because many BA Mainline pilots think that this new operation should be manned by mainline pilots. BA has a long standing process in force that says that all 100 seat aircraft flying in and out of London airports whould be crewed by mainline pilots. It would appear that this is the case here, so if this is the result of these negotiations are you sure that there will be a position for you in EDI anyway. Wouldn't burn my bridges with FlyBe just yet.

Hi Alpha Charlie

well none of us really know what will happen with T and C's. I know that if I go to EDI on the RJ I am going to keep my current T and C's. I don't know this for definite if I go to FlyBe. Nothing against the Q400, but my long term career aspirations are to sit in the LHS of a Boeing or Airbus. As I'm getting on a bit (nearly 40) I think I would be better off staying on a jet aircraft in order to achieve this. In addition there is no concrete info as to whether or not we will be bonded for the Q400, with the special 3 year non reducing bond.

As we are living in an information vacuum, and our bids have to be in by 21st Dec, I have decided to stay with the devil I know.

Errr ...

Well according to the Pilots Q&A section on www.nextgenerationairline.com pilots will not be bonded if the fleet move is at the request of the company (as is currently the case in Flybe - you volunteer for a fleet change you get bonded, they force you to move then they can't bond you. Do you think all the guys currently moving from the 146 to the 195 are being bonded? No!)

Oh and as someone said elsewhere in another thread, the non-reducing bond only applies to those who joined the company post 1/7/06. I.e. all staff who joined the company on a reducing bond will always have reducing bonds whilst they remain at the company. So any bonds you have at Flybe will be reducing over 3 years! I suggest people at BACon read that website, and ask the questions of Flybe pilots, we will happily share what information is readily available, and would much prefer being open and honest to the constant scare mongering!

Yet another BA disaster waiting to happen...

Whats NEW about Cityflyer? The initial hype was that this operation would be something totally new, with name - branding and service...

Head office - Didsbury (Manchester)
Operational Base - Edinburgh
Run by BA Waterworld (in all reality) - LHR

Does Willie really think that this operation will last the length of the RBS contract? Afterall, they are the ones who are filling 99% of the seats on a daily basis. As quoted by a BA Regional Manager at a 'mainline' staff forum recently, ''We cant run our operation according to the bank of promises''.
Maybe 'mainline' will use LCY now, (through this 'new' company) and transfer some thinner routes from LHR, thus releasing slots at LHR for other things...

Funny also, how the name Cityflyer suddenly appears again... Just happened to be on the shelf somewhere, along with all its applicable history and AOC details. Didnt really need much ammending to bring it up to speed and present it to the board. Easy and not much investment required at all...

Wonder when the RJ85s will appear!

So is anybody going to join Evans and co on there misadventure? or is it once bitten twice shy? i am shy!!!!

David Evans' sole aim in BA was to keep himself in a job and collect his pension - nothing else. It is amazing that they haven't found him out and thrown him out yet.

Why would you boot out someone that has given you the one thing you have always wanted ! BA OUT of the REGIONS ! The dream of BA management for the last 30 years. It just took them 25 to realise that all they needed to do was hand it to DE and tell him to do his best !

Having spoken to the said gentlemen I can't honestly believe that he is clever enough to have planned any of this himself. It has all come from RE and then WW. They had a plan and had just the man for the job.

I notice he will be leaving Cityflyer before it starts for real. Can't say I can honestly give it more than two years but good luck to all involved I really hope it works out for you.

Oh and when DE turns up in a couple of months as the saviour of EOG start looking for a place closer to LHR !

Anyone know who the directors are of this reinvented company?
Are they ex Manchester mis-management? If so, the future doesn't look bright.:*

Cityflyer T&C
 

Is there anyone joining the new Ba Cityflyer who can tell me what the salary and conditions are please? Have done a search and found nothing.

Thanks

uni

BA Citiflyer doesn't actually exist yet so T&Cs & hiring requirements haven't been set.

Wait until the dust has settled on the Flybe / BACon acquisition, at which point BA Citiflyer will start up on the LCY routes. You can probably expect T&Cs to be very similar to the current BA Connect. Tonnes of info. on these forums.

BA CityFlyer DE Captains
 

Just seen the ad in Flight for direct entry Captains for the RJ. Well this just shows how the BACON management have conned us all. So much for the bid at Chrsitmas for RJ positions, lots of us with the hours waiting patiently for promotion to no avail. There must have been a lot of underhand stuff going on in the background to make sure that Flybe stiil had some pilots for their inherited planes.
I now feel sorry for the guys that have gone to CityFlyer, who knows what the dodgy managers will get up to next?:\

No friends in business.

I have to agree with Tormuick

It seems to be breathtaking cynicism, and undoubtedly reflects on the nature of the management!

Buyer beware!

The future at London City
 

Any ideas on what the future holds for the company, and how long will Willy keep it going for? I've heard that the pax loads to Milan/Madrid are very, very poor, and not sustainable. Also heard that City Jet are going head to head with them on every route they have out of City!

With the ramp extension going in, it won't be long before Willy can get some shiny new A318's in there of the main-line variety.

T:suspect:

Was talking to an x-RJ skipper today. Lives in Scotland, forced off the RJ when the six went to Swiss. Told he had Grandfather rights, told by RJ fleet manager and senior trainer he was needed in EDI and they would support his bid. Bid for EDI. Told by BALPA transfer to CF would not be an issue. Has the RJ current on Licence with lots of LCY experience. Can't even get a reply from CP or PH ! And to top it all now an advert in Flight !

That's the standard of management you can expect. Remember no one in CF has ever run a happy successful company.

Good Luck and remember two years means about 10 months or as long as the RBS contract lasts !

Toastal,

Passenger loads on the LCY-Milan route are low. Passenger loads on LCY-MAD are actually good!

Have been offered a position but after reading all the negative reviews not sure what to do?
Any advice would be most appreciated!

Join us at FlyBE :)

Absolutely ****ing unbelievable. Currently a BACON SF/O with 2500 hours on 146, 3600 hours TT. I applied for both Captain and First Officer positions on the RJ. Got neither, despite good training record. Found out that non type rated F/O's from BACON who are more junior to me have got RJ F/O positions.

This just goes to show what a completely bunch of odius turds Hutch and his hanger on are. I wonder what BALPA will do? Oh I forgot, absolutely **** all.
Although I have a new job with a 737 operator, this still feels like a kick in the nuts. Had I been offered an RJ command, I would probably have taken it.

tea coffee

just out of interest are you a bacon pilot or did you apply externally. If you applied externally how come you have been offered a position so quickly if the advert in flight has only just appeared. ( I am presuming you response on pprune is promted by Torimucks postings ??)

tea coffee

Forget it, looks like you applied for an FO's position. nice to know external FO candidates got in before any Bacon FO's. Looks like you'll have to stick that one in your pipe too hey Skyanyn !!

SV I'm not aware of any non type rated Bacon f/o's who have got RJ f/o jobs. Certainly none I can think of.

Except all the new ones straight from the Hutch family training camp in Spain !

Hi Towser

I spoke to one of them last week. It is true.

It is true.
But you either have to be of the fair sex, or your face needs to fit the Hutch/Phelan mould.
Yuk.
:eek:

11 pilots by all accounts, which match the number of RJ pilots who did not want to go to City Flyer but opted for Flybe, and who are now on secondment to City Flyer !!

SV ; Think I know who you mean now , is there more than one?

Affirm towser. One more senior than me has flown the RJ before. The other who is junior to me on seniority hasn't. I don't begrudge either of them their positions as I'm leaving. If a command had been offered, I would have stayed. The point I'm trying to make is that the selection process (if there ever was one) is a complete farce. Despite being type rated and having a good training record I was never asked to attend a selection interview. A number of the companies' senior captains (including type rated sim trainers) were also rejected.

Furthermore, I believe that members of the BALPA CC were complicit in this process, having been bought off with a command. Why else would the relevant thread on the BALPA forum disappear?

You seriously expected the process to be transparent, fair and above board? And this is BA?

Surely you jest! :=:=:=

OK my mistake. However I didn't expect BALPA to crap on us. Hope PM enjoys his command.

PM.............What a buffoon.

An ego far larger than his ability.

Good riddance. We in FLYBE wont have to suffer his puerile posts on our Balpa web site any more.

RBS hold the purse strings?
 

I now have a horrid feeling that turning down my Easyjet offer may prove to be one of my less good career decisions. :oh:
I understand the cheap cadets are failing conversion in greater numbers than expected, :cool: I also hear that the Management are not all in agreement that the policy of deliberate exclusion of experienced RJ type rated pilots is a good idea.
Summary: lots of potential for another BA cockup. I have an interview with BMED......don't hold your breath, PM is only the start of it.:hmm: The key factor (I beleive) is just the RBS factor - if that contract goes, so does the latest BACON product.

Just as a discussion point, I also reckon that Modderator and Remoak are the same person, deliberately stirring sh1t. Examine their language and phraseology - too close too call!:*