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yes but arent they getting two A300 as a replacement?

Add portugal to the 60 Age Rule

Thank God that in Portugal we still have the 60 Age Rule. Although, when my time comes it shouldn't me there anymore.

Working past 60 only on long haul, medium&short haul are way too much pain in the a%$&% to do it past that age.

And , by the way, if you have a nice climate, nice food and wine, why bother getting up at 3 in the morning somewhere in an european hotel....

Check Six krueger...

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Originally Posted by Shuttleworth

Now, I'm not trying to be rude to anyone here - BUT;

Why on earth would anyone over 60 want to keep working ?
Particulary in this environment which is so damaging to your health.
( Unless you've been unfortunate enought have a financial / family tragedy in recent years, it seems a sad way to spend your life)

One of the things you won't be saying to yourself on your death bed is "my, I wish I'd worked a few more days in my life"

Wow... how depressing you are... I hope you are in another field of endeavor. If not get out while you can.

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if i understand it, icao will implement the age rule change from 60 to 65 in november 2006

http://www.icao.int/icao/gifs/lineblue.gif

AGE LIMIT FOR FLIGHT CREW

Amendment 167 to Annex 1

The ICAO Council adopted on 10 March 2006 an amendment to Annex 1 — Personnel Licensing that increases by five years the upper age limit for commercial pilots operating two-pilot aircraft. The new provisions become applicable on 23 November 2006 and read as follows:
2.1.10.1 A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, shall not permit the holders thereof to act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 60th birthday or, in the case of operations with more than one pilot where the other pilot is younger than 60 years of age, their 65th birthday.
2.1.10.2 Recommendation.— A Contracting State, having issued pilot licences, should not permit the holders thereof to act as co-pilot of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 65th birthday. Practical effects
Article 33 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (signed in Chicago, it is often quoted as the ‘Chicago Convention’) limits the international recognition of flight crew licences to those who are in full compliance with the Standards of Annex 1 (note that paragraph 2.1.10.1 is a Standard). As a result, until 23 November 2006, even if an individual State authorizes a pilot-in-command (PIC) to fly in commercial air transport operations when over the age of 60 (65 from 23 November) that authorization can only be given for flights within that State’s national airspace. This is because no State can force another State to accept its own deviation from an ICAO Standard. Article 33 does not apply to the co-pilot as paragraph 2.1.10.2 is a Recommendation, not a Standard.
Articles 39 and 40 of the Convention are also relevant to the age limit of pilots-in-command engaged in commercial air transport operations as they authorize international flights by flight crew who do not meet all international licensing Standards, provided that an authorization is given by each State into which the aircraft is operated.
In practice, this means that if a pilot in command is under the age specified in paragraph 2.1.10.1 (60 years at present and 65 from November 2006) he cannot be prevented by reason of age from operating into any ICAO Contracting State. Further, once he has reached the specified age, he may still operate as PIC, subject to certain conditions:

his/her national Licensing Authority permits it; and,
operations are undertaken only in national airspace; unless,
another State has given specific authorization that such flights are permitted in its airspace.

A State may wish to impose a lower maximum age limit than that specified by ICAO in 2.1.10.1. It may do this for the licenses it issues, but, as stated above, it cannot prevent an aircraft operated by a PIC holding a licence from another State, who is below the ICAO upper limit, from operating in its airspace.
For co-pilots, since paragraph 2.1.10.2 is a Recommendation, not a Standard, the upper age limit is set by the national Licensing Authority which can choose to impose any national age limit on the licenses it issues, as there are no international restrictions based on age for co-pilots.
When over 60, a six-monthly medical examination will be necessary (ICAO specifies an annual medical for those under 60 years who are engaged in two-pilot operations). For single-pilot commercial air transport operations, the upper age limit remains at 60 years.
Most of the States that have authorized their pilots to fly as pilot-in-command in commercial air transport operations after they reach the age specified in 2.1.10.1 also authorize pilots holding a license issued or validated by another States to fly in their own airspace under the same condition. However, ICAO does not collect information on States authorizing pilots to fly in their airspace after reaching the age of 60 and cannot provide information on the subject. Pilots seeking such information are advised to contact individual Civil Aviation Authorities.

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/trivia/peltrgFAQ.htm

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Originally Posted by blackmail

hello every one,
i am lost on this one? why is eat doing this, as, if i understand it, icao will implement the age rule change from 60 to 65 in november 2006 at their general assembly meeting in montreal? france & italy can & will of course ask to be exempted, but will only be able to enforce it for their french/italian companys. i might be wrong on this of course. but, living in france, which is quite nice by the way, as a foreigner, i always wonder why the french/italians & the british for that matter, want to do things differently than the rest of europ?
kind regards,
bm

The retirement age in France is 60 for everybody,even we have a pre- retirement at 55. Then why do you think pilots have to retired after 60 ??

A300BOY
The pilot to whom you refer (runs 3-4miles every day) does a lot more than that :)
At 53 he did the international ironman (4k swim 160k bike, & marathon!)
Also, he didnt start flying (his boyhood passion) until age 43.....so 61 is not that far into his flying career.

Its very easy to brush over everyone with cliches.....but you need to walk a few miles in the other chaps shoes to really know whats going on.

I wish them all well in court!

Well, I've just retired from the left seat at 65 and have just renewed my Class One medical with not a single problem.

I guess that some of us are just as young as we felt when we were 40!

I would like to continue till I am medically fit and able. Either I can stand on my own two feet or.....

@silberfuchs
sorry to say but the "offer" to continue to fly when renouncing the legal action is a piece of ****!
The offer includes moving to the right seat until the end of the year.
If the French do not change their mind by Nov 23 with regard to ICAOs ruling then the company can fire you without any compensation.
What a deal!!
And, by the way, this offer was not even given to all!

So, the show goes on and they will have to pay, this is what the Belgian Constitution stipulates.:}

Silberfuchs

Not sure why you mention DHL, they have nothing to do with the action, they just provide EAT the business. They dont care who flys their aircraft!:\