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As for the APU usage, it's Captain's discretion. End of story. Similar to the landing gear, you don't have to use it, but common sense dictates it is the preferred option.

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Although they did try to bond already rated guys they didn't have much of a take up on this offer. I don't know of anyone who was already flying the 737 who had to sign a bonding agreement; if they did then they were either extremely poor negotiators or plain daft. You say they tried to recruit Jet2 pilots who were 737-300/900 rated? How many 900s do jet2 currently have in their fleet? I honestly don't think that there are any NGs battered, used & abused enough to make it onto Channex's AOC. Ryanair are flogging their old 200s though, maybe PM can get a bid in for them before the Nigerians do!

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X-C

don't be obtuse. You know full well that the '300-900' reference is how the rating appears on your licence.
Jet2 only have 300 varients, but many of us flew NGs in a previous company.
Hope that simplifies things for you.

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I do apologise, Silverhawk, I didn't think that I was being, 'obtuse.' I now feel very 'simplified' indeed. ;) It was just on open goal for a cheap shot at a very low down company: yours by the way.

For your information, Jet2, you didn't all turn down The Bhoys because of any bonding agreement (& let's face it, if you are supporting Channex on this one then you are supporting the most restrictive & punitive bonding system there can possibly be) some of your colleagues tried to get into Ryanair but failed.

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Trip Switch, I find it difficult to take that it's you talking about self respect. Your management pilots, (does PM allow that term these days?) refuse to promote any good Captain into the higher levels of the training department because they would show R.L. up. This is, IMHO, producing the poor level of operation to which Jet2/Channex aspire. J.B. is a very worthy exception to this, Channex better never let him go because then it really would be Good Night Vienna.

As an airline you were warned about the dangerous flying of a German contract Captain by at least three First Officers at MAN. Again, a very worthy Captain, who has since left Channex (hey, what a surprise) tried to do something about the situation but was humiliated & over ruled by R.B. They moved the rogue skipper to LBA & what happened? First day the F/O refuses to fly with him again because the Captain is so p!ss poor, second day he nearly goes off the end of the runway. Only then do Channex take action! Fast forward three months, switch on the news & look at the horrific live pictures of a Greek moutainside at a tragic incident that is still to be explained. Self respect? How dare you?

On a personal level, I 'got well' as soon as I walked out of Channex, an airline where to get on you need constantly kiss butt to climb up the ladder. Know what I mean Trip Swith? Of course you do.

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Pulp Fiction

If making rather childish personal attacks on others helps you to sleep better at night and gives you a greater sense of self worth, then I am chuffed to bits for you. Seriously blue, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Wishing you all the very best, as always

Trips

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Pulpfiction or whatever your name may be. I find the things you sling at the management pilots of jet2 amusing, to say the least. What I cannot comprehend however is that someone like yourself, who clearly claims to be superior to most of us mere mortals remaining in this "shoddy, cirus - like" airline (or however you wish to describe it,) can have the poor judgement to openly blame an individual for an accident that is still under investigation! As far as the decision to terminate his services was concerned, may I suggest that you at least attempt to obtain "the other side" of the story before you launch off into yet more ill - informed statements of "fact." Call me if you wish, I am who I say I am.

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Forget it frank, if that’s who you really are,

He was suspended by a line trainer, line trainer then overruled by FOD, next day pilot reinstated at a new base, a significant number of F/O’s then refused to fly with him then Jet 2 give the guy a good reference.

The rest is history.

…….I suspect you are not the real FB. If you are, I cannot believe you would dare comment on this issue!

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Sub rosa

All Frank is saying, quite rightly, is that regardless of this particular Captain's performance with us, it is totally unfair to prejudge the outcome of the investigation. If you or anybody else can prove he was responsible, then chat with the Greek authorities. If not, it would be wise to await the outcome of their detailed investigation. Unreasonable?

There is, of course, another thread which this particular discussion is better suited to.

As always, kindest regards

Trips

Frank - check your Private Messages

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Seconded

Investigations are based on fact not speculation.

Speculation and finger pointing at this stage are totally unacceptable.

R

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ill be buggered if im going to J2, been at TCX for the last seven years, still no command but V close to the top (Not just in date of join but in comm check) so tempted by a quick command but, no way. think its a two bit outfit for now. Can someone prove me wrong???>

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I’m not sure my last post was prejudging the outcome of the Helios accident enquiry.

The facts are that at JET2 a much respected trainer (now resigned) suspended this pilot from line flying, following a line check. Within hours this decision was overruled by the FOD and the pilot was put back on the line at a different base. No sim, no further line check, just off you go!

It is indeed unusual for a management pilot to enter a public forum and discus issues such as this. I am therefore sceptical that MFB is who he says he is. However if he is he will now surely explain the ‘other side of the story’? Perhaps he could specifically explain by what mechanism one of our instructors can fail an individual, record it on the T3 and that pilot still be returned to flying status without a further check?

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As I said, give me a call or better still, let's meet and we can discuss - THIS is not the forum.

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MFB

…..great idea. And then get ritually sacked by PM for questioning the so called management. Hmmm…Think I best not.

You entered this debate; you now wish to discuss it in private. Why not use this forum to silence your critics! If you can?


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Tight Slot, please check your PMs.

MFB, I'm in no doubt that the great majority of us are silently appalled at the way our friendly airline is being trashed by just a few embittered colleagues.

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Sub Rosa,

I couldn't have put it better myself, well said. In an airline with no democracy the only avenue open to us is a web site like this, to expose what a complete shower they actually are. Now MFB enters the debate & then wants to 'discuss' it privately. I.e. threaten & gag anyone who dares to bring an appalling series of events, that did occur, out into the open.

Trip Switch,

Well done, BLUE, you never miss an opportunity to kiss butt, you'll be a TRE soon. :yuk:

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Sub Rosa...Pulp...
It's VERY obvious to me that you only have the one side of the story...floppy ears and all !
As in ANY type of orginisation, there are ALWAYS laid down protocol/procedures to be followed in situations such as this poor individual...for the protection of the employee as much as for the employer.
I think NOT...A PUBLIC forum is NOT the place to discuss what is a company matter...PLEASE give the "Big Man" a call, he'll give you it straight !!

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Pulp Fiction

Originally, this post wasn't going to be very pleasant. Your constant digs made me want to bite back..... I know exactly who you are and it was about to get a whole lot of nasty. But, I'm over it. Give MFB a call. Now that you no longer work for us, he won't be able to "threaten" or "gag" you.

Whatever it is that you feel about me, the company, all of the 'crap' pilots at Jet2, MFB, RL, RB, how you feel you were treated - none of that is important. You are obviously in a better place now. I'm happy for you. Look to future. Go in peace and enjoy it.

And, as always blue, wishing you all the best :)

Trips

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This is one of the best fights outside of jetblast that I've enjoyed:} :} :}

Sub Rosa... I found your response quite amusing

…..great idea. And then get ritually sacked by PM for questioning the so called management. Hmmm…Think I best not.
:} :ok: :} :ok: :} :ok: :} :ok: :} :ok: :} :ok:

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Children Children! If you think Jet2.com is so bad please show me an airline that is perfect and why are we all not working for it!
These people that you dont like will not stay forever! This company is going places and is it evolves things will change.
As by my name im not a pilot and kept my job when the A300 goes, but my deparment works far more hours than you airborne bus drivers, gets paid far less money than you but will still support our pilots 100% even if they are of the wobbly variety because we can talk to them and try to point out the errors of there ways.
Oh Pulp never kissed ass in me life thats why I am where I am today bitching and moaning all the way but with respect and my head held high.

SL

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Bam,

What about the rights of the fare paying public who trust us with there lives? Forget the accident. This is about Channels behavior in relation to a Channel pilot.

The big man does what PM tells him to do. He has no authority just like all the other post holders at Channel. They only remain in post if they do as they are told by PM.

As for Trip thinking he knows who Pulp is, yer right!

Anybody seen Frank?

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Sub rosa

Firstly, this thread is not about "Channels behaviour in relation to a Channel pilot". It was supposed to be about Jet2's 757 fleet. If you want it to be about anything else, start a different thread.

As regards Pulp Fiction - Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point? Page 2 is very funny. The posting at the top of page 3 might be of particular interest (last line - although most had worked it out a long time ago). Now, if you know who X-Centric is...... (believe me, I do). Bit of a shame though. I was really enjoying watching him imagine that he had ANYONE fooled. :rolleyes:

It's not my place to trash the guy, nor would I want to. And nor is it my place to 'out' him - simple respect for his wish to remain 'anonymous'. That's why I have studiously tailored my posts. He does what he does, and that's up to him - 'sticks and stones' and all. And I really do wish him all the best.

Wishing you well too,

Trips

Oh, and I spoke to Frank yesterday. Give him a call and ask him if it really is him on here. You don't have to reveal your pprune identity, so no worries about being 'ritually sacked'.

This is all getting very boring now. Fare thee well.

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Well 2engop, what are your thoughts about joining this airline now? I know what mine are and i seriously wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. If only half of the comments on this thread and the thread entitled, 'an honest and uncensored debate about Jet2,' are true then it is an unsafe, regime lead organisation. There is something very wrong with this company. It also looks as though Sub Rosa, Pulp Fiction and so on have hit a nerve with Trip Switch:-

It's kind of a clandestine warning, isn't it? 'Carry on posting on this thread and i'll expose who you are.' I don't know who you are Trip Switch but you really are coming across as the 'Butt Kisser' that you have been accused of. You seem to be standing behind this MFB character, using him as a shield and letting it be known that you are fighting for the good name of Jet2. You're obviously hoping that it will progress your career. Unfortunately, from what i've read about your airline, it probably will.:hmm:

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Jet2.com is NOT an unsafe airline. As Channel Express flying cargo we learnt our lessons the hard way. We have not had any incident like that since and dont intend to.

Monde I know who some of these people are and to out pilots on here you would be a complete ****
I know Trip and He certainly is not in that category.

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Monde

"A clandestine warning"????!!! Oh, come on. This is ridiculous. So what about about, I have done/said nothing to reveal his true identity - no innuendos..... NOTHING (unlike some of the comments I have been the recipient of). I could have done so a long time ago, was I so inclined. I did not, and nor do I wish to (read 'will I'). I have, on every occasion, wished him well (genuinely), and I shall continue to do so. Yes, I did get wound up at one stage (I am only human), but then decided against biting back. It's about treating people with respect, whatever they throw at you.

"Hide behind MFB"????!!! Oh please!! How's that then? First of all, I am way big enough and ugly enough to look after myself. Secondly, I have nothing to hide from. And thirdly, because some people make what I consider GROSSLY unfair accusations and I challenge them to actually make the call and find out for themselves, this is 'butt kissing'???!! Maybe you should read pilothouse's last post again. 'Butt kissing' is such a childish accusation.

Yes I defend Jet2....... and why the hell shouldn't I? And it has nothing to do with furthering my career. Maybe, juuuust maybe, I am very happy here, doing a job I love, working with some great people and I don't like seeing it trashed just because someone decides to run a personal vendetta against the company or any of the individuals who work within it (whatever their position). I am not alone. To unfairly attack people, whoever they are, and embark on rather insidious defamatory character assassinations in such a public forum, whilst hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, is disgusting. And having been on the receiving end of some of it, I damn well reserve the right to argue back. Things are not perfect at Jet2, show me an airline where they are, but it would be nice if the debate was kept above the playground level.

Enough is enough. As far as I can see, there is no more to be gained from this discussion, and, with respect, I shall take my leave.

Wishing you all the very best, whoever and wherever you are,

Trips

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Monge, a bit muppet like to say you're not going to join Jet2 because of what someone wrote on Pprune!
Like Trip Switch said, show us an airline where it's perfect!

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You really are a very nasty bunch aren't you? So i'm now called 'monge' just for posting against your opinion eh, Nearly Man. So why do you call yourself 'Nearly Man?' is it a) because you're a poofter or b) you have no balls?

Talk about hiding behind anonymity!

Shuperstar Loadie, you still don't sound safe to me. Sabotaged a/c, appalling captains, not listening to crew reports and the consequent Helios incident, fuel leaks and you continue en-route, pressurisation problems, demotivated crew. Oh how safe you sound to those who don't work for you and certainly never want to passenger with you.

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Sorry boys but you are wide of the mark.:confused:

The thing that I find odd is the fact that you are trying to nail down just one disillusioned person from Jet2.com. (More than one sign-in slagging off jet2? must be the same person!) With a company this low it's hardly surprising that there are many people with an axe to grind with you.

Trip Switch why are you dragging me into the personal mud slinging with Pulp? Anything that I have had to say about Channex has been based on personal experience. I.e. that I found their management style garbage & that they are an amatuer, unsafe passenger operation. I have never singled you out in any example that I have posted. You need to go & fly for another company, a good one however you define that, & then you'll see just how low down the scale Jet2.com really are. Air Amoeba, a suggested new name for Jet2.

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Yes Mong, you're quite right! I am a poofter and have no balls.
I think Jet2 should count themselves lucky they aren't getting a Joey Deacon like you applying to them.

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Ahem......meanwhile back at the subject......

If you two want to get personal pm each other or do it by e-mail !

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:} :} I had one of my posts wipped out by a certain moderator on jetblast for posting alot less abuse than I see here:} :}

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So how many hull losses have Chanex had then?

I can recall an Electra damaged beyond repair in a wheels up at Shannon, an overrun in Coventry and the very sad crash of the F27 in the Channel Islands where the crew were killed. There was also the mis loaded A300 in Shannon last year (not the sabotaged one during maintenance, that was discovered before take off, unlike the poor old crew who found out after landing!). There was also the Leeds runway beat up incident but that can’t really be counted as an accident, just a bit of good old hooliganism!

Anybody got a picture of that by the way??:D

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Jetdriver, muppet baiting is a sport but I think you'll find my posts been pretty even on this thread. Seems it's OK to write down any old rubbish about any airline you've decided not to apply to!

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Sorry Nearly Man but turning a thread like this into, 'muppet baiting,' as you call it shows just how juvenile you are. 2engop asked what it was like on the 757 with Jet2 and generally about the company. The replies he's got back have been varied and mostly negative from those obviously in the know. I wouldn't base my decision to join or not join a company based solely on what is written here but it is pretty damning stuff non the less and does hold some sway when it is put together with the information in the public domain about their safety and low standards. E.g. press reports, AAIB reports, news items etc.

Nearly Man you are clearly demonstrating why your academic achievment is a mere three O levels by lowering the tone such as this. Do you work for Channel Express because according to some people they do take the dross that can't get a job anywhere else? If you don't you should apply, you would stand a very good chance.

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Monde...

so then,

People who's in your words "academic achievment is a mere three O levels" you consider as Dross.

Have a look at any airline and I am sure you will find that not everyone has a degree.

Thats a poor attitude mate....

Lets face it, How difficult is it to get a degree, most people I know have one.

If there are non graduate pilots flying for airlines then I say well done to them, they still had to sit and pass the the same tests as those that hold a degree.:* :* :*

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"Strike two !"

Do you want to get this thread back on topic or not !

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Sub Rosa. The Electra was not Channex neither was the crew just working for Channex. Yes a loading error by a handling agent cost the chanel islands F27 before we had loadmasters. The A300 was discovered and rectified before the cargo door even shut. Lets talk about a Channex loadie chasing a Titan 737 down a taxiway at EMA coz Menzies loaded it back to front. Or emerald 748's flying around without restraint on loads. Oh and yes the F27 at CVT was pilot error.... like my title says im not a pilot and I dont make errors that endanger my collegues and friends in what I did as a loadie and what I do now. Oh and dont bother flying with us your not welcome.

Obviously a few have a gripe with Jet2.com but how many pax have we carried and how well are we doing, expanding and creating jobs????

Tell me..................

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I am quite certain that the Electra at Shannon was N-registered and flown by an American crew so how you can consider this to be a Channex accident I cannot imagine.

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How was the A300 sabotaged and by whom?I used to work for this outfit on some serious crap called the herald.PM was an ******* then and employed the same kind of orifices as management.I shall do my best to avoid jet2 in the future.

While the Mekon 'IS' energetic & knowledgeable (Also on occaision amusing & even charming!), unfortunately he can also be 'explosively' nasty,small minded,vindictive & is a bully. It is these traits that gave me my intense dislike of the man. I worked for this company for the greater part of a decade & a half before i left (of my own volition!).
Many of the senior management have grown up in this extremely 'unhealthy' leadership culture & have prospered by using the example of the 'dear leader'.