I know of someone who has a certain Nail, that may be the Final one for his Coffin.:E

i'm astounded that the ops management at flybe are still in thier offices,they are obviously an embarrasement to themselves and everyone else in the company,as for any credibilty of jim french's accolades they should be thrown in the bin unless he sorts out this disgraceful mess.
it will need a huge clearout in exeter before anything changes i'm afriad......

They (the management) may not be there too much longer. If the rumours of a 3i buy out are true. The airline has never made much if any of a profit so it would be prudent to close it down and sell the assetts and hold on to the engineering branch. That is where the money is.

notac

"sell the assets" . Which assets ?

there arent any , the airline doesnt own anything . Maybe the LGW slots , that about it . Dont know if they can be shown as assets on a balance sheet though .

NF

So give the LGW slots to Monarch along with the next bunch of intakes from Flybe to Monarch.

Everyones happy, job well done

They could sell my assets! After the attention they received in another thread, they could make some much-needed cash for Flybe! But then I'd be prostituting myself again, and I've done that for long enough already which is why I'm leaving!!!:p

Hey! Whats going on back at flybe then?

All sounds a bit serious, are they truly short of 146 drivers?

I might be pursuaded to leave my house by the beach and come back for a while if good deals are on offer...

So my questions are...

Are crewing still dicking everybody about?

Who is the new jet FM?

What's the HOTAC situation like?

Where does the 146 go these days?

Has BHX got a new crew room yet? If not, are the mice still there?

Any 146s in EDI?

Is SOU still the centre of the known universe?

Do we still have the same 146's?

Questions, questions... :p

How I miss the old firm! We had such fun! :E

I'll answer as many as I can!

Are crewing still dicking everyone around?? Absolutely!
The other day, after many tech probs, they had me operating a flight to LGW and a flight to SOU. At the same time. And they couldn't see the problem with it. I'm good, but not that good!!

Jet FM - Capt Horton

HOTAC situation - nicer hotels now. Still plenty of nightstops though.

The 146 goes everywhere - all the French, Spanish and chartered routes. WIth a stop in BOH to uplift fuel for the longer flights if last summer is anything to go by!!

Haven't beeen there in ages, but I think BHX have got a new crew room.

SOU never was the centre of the universe. But it is incestuous city! Never seen a base so 'friendly' with each other!

Still the same OLD 146's. Noxious fumes, bits falling off, noisy. But at least it gets in the air, unlike the Dash which is still continually going tech.
FlyMAYbe

Hmmm is that Bob Horton? Never had much to do with him when I was there, what's he like?

Good to hear the hotels have improved, some of them were dire.

Morale? Happy/sad?

Which bases still have 146s?

Ta! I may come back to haunt you all yet.

RD,

Bobs a lovely bloke. Had to deal with him a few times recently and found him to be understanding and honest.

Moral is still low - in my opinion. Pay deal not thru yet, many still leaving. Disruption still high, Dash's still tech.

I find it hard to be proud of working here when the airline's reputation is poor and all around you are leaving.

146 bases? JER, GCI, SOU, EXT, BHX, BHD.

BPM

er82 you can talk coming from the channel islands. They are all at it with each other over there!!!!

No we're not! Never had any sort of special 'friendhip' with any crew over here! We've got two crew members going out, that's it!
Compared to the goings' on in SOU, you could almost say we're celibate!! Never before have I met such a base who can link 99% of the crew together on a 'conquest' chart!!!:p

RawData - The 'High Cost' management techniques employed by some short sighted flyBE massive continue to be paid for in sweat and fatigue by those who haven't taken up Jim French's famous invitation for those who didn't like it to leave.

'Pilot Welfare' is the new buzz word which would great if were true.

you forgetting our snog er82?

BPM

Arhhhhhhhhh ER82 - Miss Whiplash i presume.....;) ;) ;)

Sure! Everyone knows who I am..... and now WG I know your alter ego!!!

BPM - How could I forget! It was a long time ago though, and we hadn't yet joined the company. We still don't even come close to being as 'friendly' as SOU crews are to each other. Oh the stories I've heard............

Sod it........Im not gonna be forced to watch emmerdale.....Corro...or Eastenders anymore........I'll just watch this thread..and enjoy details of er82's adventures... :p :}

Honestly- books could be written about my time here! People will miss have no-one and nothing to gossip about!
:rolleyes:

Where are you off to er82?...the big orange?..I know in 2 hours..Im off to the pub..ahh the river...the sun..the beer garden....and orange juice!! :mad: Im on an early

No. Definitely not the big O... I'm trying to keep a low profile so that my new colleagues don't know who I am! Probably not a chance in hell of that happening, but it's worth a try...

They'll know exactly who you are when you open your BIG gob!!!!

Thanks very much. Nice to meet you too. Do you know me, or do you normally make such rude remarks about people you don't know?!?!?

Edited because I got rather rude. Then decided I wouldn't lower myself to your level.

steady on cruise pilot........... that was a bit unnecessary.

hope you're not this much of a tit at monarch.

BPM

He will soon be shot down if he is a tit at Monarch, BPM no worries there. :E

UPDATE

Didn't take the Monarch job, went elsewhere.

I however was on the unfortunate receiving end of a viscious rumour which was ignited by her majesty er82.

And you lot know how fast rumours spread around. I couldn't deny anything as I was already judged as guilty.

You talk of stooping down to my level, I havn't yet stopped down to yours by giving everyone on this forum your name. I know EXACTLY who you are, and I know EXACTLY where you are going.

I also have quite a few friends where you are going. Continue your fascination of rumour spreading and it will be you that is shot down.

I acutally have never met er82, but er82 seems to know everything about me.

Enjoy your time at your new airline, but keep things to yourself that you know nothing about.

Seriously??!?!?! I don't rumour spread. I've been on the receiving end of too many nasty rumours myself, so don't bother with it.

If you really think you've got the right person, email me, and tell me exactly what I've done.

And having re-read your post now, for the 5th time, I really have NO idea who you are.

And edited again just to say, to those that might read your post and make an assumption about the kind of person I am, please ask anyone - I am not the viscious person CP is making me out to be.
I'm upset now. :(

not one to get involved of course.....

Cruise Pilot,

if whatever happened to you was by "rumour" then you have absolutely NO evidence of who started this little story.

All you have, i suggest, is second hand info yourself (passed on by another gossip) which ONLY YOU are judging to be true.

You stated you'd never met er82, therefore how can you know the truth?? You asked her?

NO.

Never listen to playground gossip, and more importantly NEVER believe something with the conviction you are WITHOUT asking the person youself.

And as for the this "i know exactly who you are and where you're going sh1t" Grow up.

You'll be saying "i know where you live....." next.

Don't be a coward and hide behind the anonimity. Enable your PM's and explain to her what you mean.
You now owe her that considering you have brought this onto a public forum.

And as for you coming back and saying "you know where i live too..." then fantastic. I'll post my address up here if you want coz i couldn't give a monkeys.

Obviously Monarch or whereever you are now weren't checking mental ages when they assessed you.

And this post has got WAY off the flybe pay deal subject and i suggest a moderator either close it or, in some other way pull it back to topic.

Rant over.

Thank you.

BPM

ER82,we love your posts darlink' keep them coming......

Cuise pilot,my heel will go in your balls if you slag off anymore posts...


Carrying on with Flybe pay2005:

I heard a rumour that Flybe are going to harmonise 146/Q400 pay is this correct??

And these guys are flying innocent members of the public around in the back ! ! !

Legsup - that was the plan last year, which aimed to equalize the pay over a 2-3 year period to solve certain issues. However, the plan caused concern amongst members of our jet fleet, so it was scrapped.

Quite right too. :}

Guys hows life at Flybe at the moment, especially now that we are in the summer season.

With the large intake that they have had, have things improved. I know that pay was always a stumbling point, but have the conditions improved.

It was quite a mess when I left. Carry on working hard guys.

And apparently a disruption pay will be paid for extra sectors, APART from those that are due to tech a/c anywhere in the company, and weather. So seeing as 99% of extra sectors are due to tech a/c, the company will get away without paying!

The "new, improved" pay deal offers nothing. The exodus will continue and the hidden costs behind poor retention will escalate. Save to spend measures!

ATIS - Unfortunately the large number of new entrants (Capt & F/O) appears only to have decreased the despatch reliability of the DHC8 in line with the decrease in the overall level of experience on the fleet.

Pay aside, Ham Phisted hits the nail pretty squarely on the head, the overall operational culture is weighted heavily against crews, with apparently no recognition whatsoever of the heavy cost of a high crew turnover. New joiners are becoming bitter quickly, and the bond is no longer considered a hurdle to moving on within months of joining.

The 'conflict of interest' that is causing most of the problems still remains, so in short ATIS - still quite a mess!

er82, your comments about disruption etc are incorrect. Please don't start setting hares going on subjects that you are not full acquainted with, its not helpful.

H - I have to agree that Whispermode is correct about your disruption facts.

Quick - edit/delete your post! :ok:

Why are they incorrect??
If you're going on about the disruption payments, I said that was a rumour, so can leave it on here.

If you're going on about disrupted lifestyles, I think I am correct, so I'll leave it on here as well.
Want some examples?!?! I have lots. So do 90% of the workforce.

Subjects I'm not fully acquainted with?!?! I think I am. Thank you very much.

So! the next round of Balloting is about to get under way.
I shall of course be voting A BIG NO Again.

This "New deal" is still full of holes and virtually NO IMPROVEMENT on the last for the majority of the guys on the line.

I urge every body to be patient and stick it out a bit longer.

To all you young ( and not so young) tyros who are itching to get away to pastures anew, best of luck to all of you. I know the Emb 195 is not going to be everybodies cup of tea.

But please think of your colleagues whom you leave behind.
A lot of us are reasonably happy with our locations and there are things to consider like your kids schooling and other Familiy comittments etc, when trying to make a judgement call on whether to jump ship or not.

At least, as a very firm middle digit to the company before you GO.................................VOTE NO....VOTE NO....VOTE NO!!!!

Can I take it then that most of you have voted with your feet and are now part of the infamous 90 Plus?