Blue = confident in the knowledge that one is working for the worlds favourite airline

Red = Fur coat and no knickers. All about the brand

Actually these are sweeping generalisations: there are great guys and a few not so great working at both. My impression is that crew interaction levels are overall better at VS than BA, but mixed fleet crews have certainly made that gap closer.

Hope that helps!

God it makes me so sick “ the worlds favourite airline “
BA has rapidly gone downhill, anyone that goes to work and thinks that is probably a bit of a c@ck or a thoroughbred Nigel ( basically the same )

Virgin looks way more exciting than BA

BA hasn’t used the “world’s favourite” tagline for decades. Technically, it was actually correct at the time.

“JAFA” could possibly be a better one these days.:}

If we’re talking Short Haul, my experience of it is that I had far more great days out at easyJet in my year there than I’ve had in 3 years at BA. The severe lack of pragmatism of many in the LHS at BA and minutiae driven briefings and stress levels in that seat are noticeably higher than any other airline I’ve worked for. They aren’t deliberately awkward or difficult individuals by nature outside of the flightdeck but boy do they make it hard work in the flightdeck. I don’t know if it’s something that you can blame those guys for as such I’ve got a feeling that it’s being driven by the training department here.

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its just my opinion , the reason is that I believe many colleagues in BA are watching there back , almost terrified of management .
Are you still on SH ? if so you haven’t flown with the wonderful captains we have on the 787 fleet .

I have to say I’ve never sensed anyone on the line being terrified of this lot or previous management, so I’m puzzled by that- in what context and in what way is this fear manifesting itself? Is it as in: “we’d better not bust the stable approach criteria” , or as in “ I’m not delaying the departure just because we have been under catered/just because we arrived late at the aircraft side :rolleyes:

I think being “aware” of the former is fair enough isn’t it? OTOH I’d agree there are one or two colleagues who can behave like Boy Scouts over some issues where we could take a legitimate stand.

Most of us on most Fleets get through the day not thinking much about management...if we do it is just to marvel at the thickness of the silo walls and annoyance at level of competence displayed by some at Waterside.

Don’t get me wrong , all the guys I have flown with have been very professional .
I think it’s just on the last few trips I have done , my gears have grinded down with some of the guys I have flown with .
Just bad luck I guess ..... Hopefully next roster will be ok

Spot on sir

OK..I can see where you are coming from...

Once upon a time time we could almost get away with ”Bovingdon, 27L, any questions” on Longhaul, Route Checks excepted...over the years the whole song and dance act has grown..but don’t blame it all on the people in the LHS..trust me there are plenty of your colleagues in the RHS who insist on briefing every item on the “Wheel of Doom” for a CAVOK departure out of LHR.

i sympathise. Luckily on my fleet we have a tonne of “good folk” who just want to be partners in arms getting around with as little hassle as possible. Granted there’s a fair few Richard heads who I swear would have little propellers fitted on top of their epaulettes and even bigger Russian style hats if they could. I’ve just had a decent run of working with some really top folk and came away really enjoying the chats about non works stuff. But I know what it’s like when you do have a run of challenging ones. Can really suck the life out of it. A small example that doesn’t help is more than a few misunderstand the post flight review is meant to be a team thing, instead they seize the opportunity to play “have a go sim debrief”. Can make for that final little miserable draining experience to cap off on the way home on what is already a thankless job if you’ve been flying with someone who’s psychologically hard work.

I think it’s made worse both by LH and that BA are huge, it’s always new faces so pot luck. Some say that’s a positive as you rarely have to fly with any Richard heads frequently. But I found when I did fly frequently with Richard heads at previous airlines you actually could adapt to each other and in the end it wasn’t so bad really.

WRT the superiority. I personally only have seen it in a the minority of people on the line, but it definitely exists. More indoctrination I think. The majority of colleagues on my fleet seem normal balanced folk to me. Granted everyone is indoctrinated by the “BA way” but that’s not their fault as we all know it’s what this firm want from us. I think the superiority, super science “let’s make this job as hard as poss” level stuff really starts from the training dept level up into management. One of my joining letters even had something like “BA has the best pilots bla bla” or something like that. Nearly fell over. Had to pinch myself that we weren’t in 1930s colonial Britain :). I thought I might possibly be in the wrong place at that point ha! :)

for pure enjoyment of the job and lifestyle I would have to agree , never really seen the guys or girls moan about Virgin ..... which says something

have you ever considered that it may be you? Or something that you’re doing that’s the problem? Just a thought; because, the odd one excepted, I don’t recognise your description of BA at all.