Originally Posted by bylgw
(Post 11359983)
Possibility: New entrants will be directed to CitiFlyer or EuroFlyer before being allowed to bid to the dangled mainline carrot.
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I thought BACF started about 2007 so how can anyone have 20-30 years service? Would 15 years be enough for a longhaul command?
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Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11360623)
I thought BACF started about 2007 so how can anyone have 20-30 years service? Would 15 years be enough for a longhaul command?
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Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11360623)
I thought BACF started about 2007 so how can anyone have 20-30 years service? Would 15 years be enough for a longhaul command?
Originally Posted by 3Greens
(Post 11360738)
not even close
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Go on Confuscious give us a clue and would they go onto paypoint 24?
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Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11360775)
Go on Confuscious give us a clue and would they go onto paypoint 24?
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Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11360775)
Go on Confuscious give us a clue and would they go onto paypoint 24?
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I suppose this is relevant to this thread as new joiners could be displaced and career paths would be affected.
I have no skin in this game but you raise an interesting concept. 2 airlines owned by the same Opco wants to combine the seniority list. BA to get around scope BACF pilots get to bid for longhaul some jumping to well over £200k pa whats in it for the 4000 BA pilots? There are many precedents, Cambrian for example. The colour of the plane I believe is irrelevant it’s more a case of who the owner is. Don’t tell me you were Brymon Heralds 😂 |
Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11360800)
I suppose this is relevant to this thread as new joiners could be displaced and career paths would be affected.
I have no skin in this game but you raise an interesting concept. 2 airlines owned by the same Opco wants to combine the seniority list. BA to get around scope BACF pilots get to bid for longhaul some jumping to well over £200k pa whats in it for the 4000 BA pilots? There are many precedents, Cambrian for example. The colour of the plane I believe is irrelevant it’s more a case of who the owner is. Don’t tell me you were Brymon Heralds 😂 Yes as you say, It is relevant to this thread because 100+ BACF folk jumping over to Big Airways would stall the recruitment process for a while and more likely divert those in the process to LCY. I also have no idea how the void of experience would be filled in BACF. |
Originally Posted by Confusious
(Post 11360803)
I have no skin in this either and nope was not a Brymon laddie. 😉
Yes as you say, It is relevant to this thread because 100+ BACF folk jumping over to Big Airways would stall the recruitment process for a while and more likely divert those in the process to LCY. I also have no idea how the void of experience would be filled in BACF. |
Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 11360819)
Putting a lot of stock into a completely unsubstantiated rumour, aren’t you
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Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 11360819)
Putting a lot of stock into a completely unsubstantiated rumour, aren’t you
Essentially, BA will "pay" BALPA an amount that they think putting BACF on the msl is "worth". BALPA can then use that "money" to get concessions elsewhere - at the time, getting rid of the "Delta" was one example. BA are keen to do it as they think it'll help recruitment to BACF, BALPA are reluctant for reasons outlined above, but are struggling to justify refusal when they already allow EuroFlyer access, and the "money" would go quite a long way allegedly. Personally I can see another BALPA stitch up coming down the track, where my career aspirations are cast aside again in favour of an extra 0.5% pension for PP24 LH Captains. It bears repeating that if you're PP34, SH, or an FO with less than about 8 years service, you arent even on BALPA's radar. |
Confuscious
Laddie? Just as well you have no skin in the game. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when you called the BA TC doing your command convex to the 350/380 laddie from your lofty sub 50 on the seniority list having joined Manx in the mid 80s ( just for example). You do allude to the merger causing issues. I’d have thought ( having done my homework as instructed) the solution for BA is obvious. But back to the thread joining BA asap to get on their seniority list would seem prudent if BA is the right fit for you. tic: I flew a BA flying club Tomahawk in BA livery in 1987 ish can I have a 787 command ? |
Course start date
Hey peeps I’m wondering if anyone like me has a course start date for BA Heathrow in Feb?
If so fancy dropping me a DM - I have a few questions. Cheers |
Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11361455)
Confuscious
Laddie? Just as well you have no skin in the game. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when you called the BA TC doing your command convex to the 350/380 laddie from your lofty sub 50 on the seniority list having joined Manx in the mid 80s ( just for example). You do allude to the merger causing issues. I’d have thought ( having done my homework as instructed) the solution for BA is obvious. But back to the thread joining BA asap to get on their seniority list would seem prudent if BA is the right fit for you. tic: I flew a BA flying club Tomahawk in BA livery in 1987 ish can I have a 787 command ? Your desire to be a fly on the wall is a little disconcerting. If 'Captain Manx' arrived on his 380 command course I would hope that the grown up folk at Big Airways would be welcoming to him/her. The lessons of CRM should put aside any instinct to ward off perceived predators from their close knit family. Anyway, I can 100% assure you that I have no personal interest in this, but as said before I do have a number of long standing friends at CityFlyer, as I do Mainline. The rumour has found its way into BACF which of course could be the power of PPRuNE. Off topic, the legendary PA38 Tomahawk with the spin characteristics of a demon, nevertheless a great little trainer. Yes, anyone thinking of joining BA then definitely do it sooner rather than later. As you can read from this thread, seniority is king. Whatever the outcome to the rumours, what matters above anything is happiness at work and safe flying. |
If 'Captain Manx' arrived on his 380 command I would hope that the grown up folk at Big Airways would be welcoming to him/her. |
Originally Posted by Max Angle
(Post 11361492)
The few grown ups might welcome him but the other 99% most certainly would not.
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I have a few friends there who are in the top half of the BACF seniority list and they have would bid straight into a long haul command. |
Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
(Post 11361650)
I cannot see any scenario where that would happen. The scope agreement is there to protect BA pilots. If the rumour is true, BA wants to fly bigger aircraft using a subsidiary’s pilots. There is no negotiation required with the subsidiary or it’s pilots. As far as I am aware, the question would purely be about whether BA pilots allow the subsidiary to operate the flights. If part of those negotiations involves the subsidiary’s pilots gaining a BA seniority number, they would join the bottom of the list, so no leapfrogging of current BA pilots could occur.
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On the above 2 posts, subsidiary pilots are already on the MSL, this happened with the creation of Euroflyer - Fact. Scope has already been scrapped at LCY. Aircraft can now fly over 100+ seats as long as over 50% of the flights depart LCY - Fact. The rest regarding BACF I understand to be a complete rumour, so I am glad this is a rumour website lol. Don't expect any change any time soon.
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