BA Holdpool
I was wondering whether anyone else was sitting in the BA holdpool and had heard anything from BA? There's been no update since Sept last year. After logging in a week back it now no longer displays First Officer Holdpool under applications so I assume the holdpool no longer exists?
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Which hold pool were you in? Did you have a job offer or just swimming after successful application?
As far as I know there's still a few members in the Priority Return Pool (redundancies) waiting on a call back - a friend has just received a start date having been let go 3 weeks after starting in March 2020. After them there is a Priority Hold Pool - these are the ones who had a start date/fleet which was revoked in 2020. They have mentors from BA to keep in touch and be point of contact and active hold pool status to end of 2023. After that it was just the 'Hold Pool'. One guy I know who was in this has heard nothing like you unfortunately when the updates dried up. Good luck! |
I was in the Holdpool swimming and waiting for a course to be assigned but never ended up getting one before everything froze up. Not sure what the plans are for those in the standard hold pool, I sadly suspect that that hold pool may have just been scrapped. There have been no updates whatsoever, not even a thanks but no thanks :/
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Not sure then I'm afraid. The email confirming a place in the hold pool after successful selection used to state a hold pool validity of a year? I'll try and find out some more info for you
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I’m in the PRP holdpool. No direct contact or updates from BA for a while but I understand they are very busy / focussed on Euroflyer recruitment and operations at the moment so not expecting a call to arms in the very near future. My personal guess would be a call February next year in time for the spring / summer 2023 timetable OR sadly not at all. It’s their train set.
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Originally Posted by Die By Wire
(Post 11241733)
I’m in the PRP holdpool. No direct contact or updates from BA for a while but I understand they are very busy / focussed on Euroflyer recruitment and operations at the moment so not expecting a call to arms in the very near future. My personal guess would be a call February next year in time for the spring / summer 2023 timetable OR sadly not at all. It’s their train set.
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Thanks for the info AirMission. From a personal point of view (and I know everyone is different), I would prefer to return to SH Left Hand Seat LHR, which is where I was for the last 18 years before leaving. However, with limited promotion prospects within the Company at the moment, it could present an ‘industrial challenge’ in reinstating former Captains. I’m not holding out much hope but I could be pleasantly surprised. On the positive side, most of the online video forums I tuned into, the presenters did seem to suggest former pilots would return to their previous status / seniority unless I misunderstood them or indeed if they’ve changed their minds. Again it’s their train set.
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Originally Posted by Die By Wire
(Post 11241746)
Thanks for the info AirMission. From a personal point of view (and I know everyone is different), I would prefer to return to SH Left Hand Seat LHR, which is where I was for the last 18 years before leaving. However, with limited promotion prospects within the Company at the moment, it could present an ‘industrial challenge’ in reinstating former Captains. I’m not holding out much hope but I could be pleasantly surprised. On the positive side, most of the online video forums I tuned into, the presenters did seem to suggest former pilots would return to their previous status / seniority unless I misunderstood them or indeed if they’ve changed their minds. Again it’s their train set.
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Agree. I knew that the Pay Point wouldn’t be reinstated but I got the impression from the forums that the seniority would. Seems I’m now retired. Ah well.
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Originally Posted by Die By Wire
(Post 11241764)
Agree. I knew that the Pay Point wouldn’t be reinstated but I got the impression from the forums that the seniority would. Seems I’m now retired. Ah well.
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Based on what’s written above does this sound right:
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Originally Posted by skyflyer101
(Post 11244875)
Based on what’s written above does this sound right:
The current consensus is that everyone from the PRP thats coming back, will be back by the end of the year. Not everyone wants to return (understandable). This apparently leaves us needing 50-150 pilots. If it's the lower number (the winter plan hasn't been finalised yet, never mind 2023) then they'll "sweat the assets". If it's the higher, they'll need to recruit. Theres also a rumour were getting 10 or so LH hulls (mainly A350s, but some 787) this winter that were originally destined for Russia but have been released to the market. This would be in addition to the scenario outlined above. Happy swimming. Its not a bad job, really. |
Originally Posted by skyflyer101
(Post 11244875)
Based on what’s written above does this sound right:
Is this holdpool empty? full? in need of topping up? When if any could there be any external recruitment to get ready? |
My view would be, subject to the economy not melting down entirely again due to recession/rate rises/high inflation that BA will sooner or later have a bit of a panic about pilot recruitment, much as they are about recruitment for other positions at the moment. Post Brexit there is a smaller number of people with the right to live and work in the UK, and everyone else (easy/ryr/jet2/Tui) etc are going to be competing for these same people. Cadet schemes are a long time in the making. You can’t set them up and have pilots ready 6 or even 12 months later, and I don’t see anyone even talking about setting them up.
In the meantime I’ve lost count of the number of colleagues I speak to who are adamant they aren’t going to go to 65. Honestly, I’m not in the business of giving people false hope and I freely admit there are a lot of unknowns, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if things started to change very quickly towards the back end of this year. |
Anyone with insider knowledge on what BA would plan to do with those of us who hadn't quite reached the Hold Pool yet? I managed to get through to the Sim Assessment pre-covid, and my application is still showing on the portal. Any ideas if they would plan to kick off from where they left, or start the process from scratch?
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Originally Posted by Snr
(Post 11245323)
Anyone with insider knowledge on what BA would plan to do with those of us who hadn't quite reached the Hold Pool yet? I managed to get through to the Sim Assessment pre-covid, and my application is still showing on the portal. Any ideas if they would plan to kick off from where they left, or start the process from scratch?
However, without wanting to repeat the obvious , there’s now a question mark over if & when external recruitment will start again, and if it does, whether people with active applications in the system will be asked to start all over again. I suspect the priority at the minute is the PRP and PHP. But things at BA can and have changed rapidly in the past …. |
2 quick questions:
If you are put onto a long haul fleet upon joining, is the basic pay higher than those who joined at the same time but were put onto the short haul fleet? If you are 737 rated, are they likely to keep you Boeing or is it possible they may still put you on the A320? |
Originally Posted by A320LGW
(Post 11245352)
2 quick questions:
If you are put onto a long haul fleet upon joining, is the basic pay higher than those who joined at the same time but were put onto the short haul fleet? EDIT: As pointed out by White Van Driver, PP1 is the same for all fleets, but diverges by about £900 cumulatively per year after that.
Originally Posted by A320LGW
(Post 11245352)
If you are 737 rated, are they likely to keep you Boeing or is it possible they may still put you on the A320?
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Originally Posted by thetimesreader84
(Post 11245386)
Yes. Don't get me started...
Granted SH becomes less than LH as you progress up the PPs, but the question was about the basic salary on joining the company? |
The PRP should be empty by September if courses continue to be offered into the Autumn... or atleast everyone will be offered a job back. My money is on external recruitment starting in the next few weeks if not months as the lead time to get a pilot in is about 6 months... Application, assessment day, sim assessment, offer, notice period, security and reference..... PRP and PHP will be long but not so fond memories very soon!
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Originally Posted by White Van Driver
(Post 11245535)
Ok I'll get you started - I thought LH and SH have the same PP1?
Granted SH becomes less than LH as you progress up the PPs, but the question was about the basic salary on joining the company? That's my mistake & I'll take it on the chin. But the pay scales do diverge fairly rapidly, approximately £900 per year (cumulative) for LH vs SH. Soon adds up... |
It's crazy people are still considering BA considering how the junior were treated in 2020...
Especially with the current climate in the east of Europe and economically.... Are you people employed looking to move? or unemployed and BA is the only option, UK licence for example. |
Originally Posted by balpalover69
(Post 11246557)
It's crazy people are still considering BA considering how the junior were treated in 2020...
Especially with the current climate in the east of Europe and economically.... Are you people employed looking to move? or unemployed and BA is the only option, UK licence for example. |
Originally Posted by balpalover69
(Post 11246557)
It's crazy people are still considering BA considering how the junior were treated in 2020...
Especially with the current climate in the east of Europe and economically.... Are you people employed looking to move? or unemployed and BA is the only option, UK licence for example. Look at guys from Flybe (750 pilots dumped on the market), Norwegian, Cityjet!!! Yes it wasn’t nice but a lot are back now and yes it’s been discussed a lot BA SH is pretty tough but you have options. No airline is perfect have to find what suits you. Ok J2 didn’t get rid of anyone but for some doing SH around Europe for 20-30 years would be dull as dish water. For others it’s great. I would put money on as soon as BA open to external the system will crash within and hour. They will be inundated. |
You're right - the BA hat would look better on pilot.*****'s Instagram feed than a Ryanair or Wizz uniform... :oh:
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Hearing on the grapevine that the PRP has been exhausted and near empty so it must mean external recruitment starts soon?? Any rumours?
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Originally Posted by vin2001
(Post 11252062)
Hearing on the grapevine that the PRP has been exhausted and near empty so it must mean external recruitment starts soon?? Any rumours?
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Originally Posted by vin2001
(Post 11252062)
Hearing on the grapevine that the PRP has been exhausted and near empty so it must mean external recruitment starts soon?? Any rumours?
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Could it be that they're desperate for people to start at Gatwick and so having exhausted the group in the PRP they'll now look to the PHP to fill those gatwick slots?
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Originally Posted by Die By Wire
(Post 11252197)
Not sure of your source but I’m in the PRP and have not been contacted by anyone unless the Gatwick Euroflyer trawl counts.
Have also been told by a fairly senior (320) trainer that their "working assumption now is everyone that wants to come back has a course date". I don't know how this translates to other fleets. I'm not trying to knock you down, just repeating what I've been told. Hopefully they're just working towards your point in the list. |
Originally Posted by thetimesreader84
(Post 11252234)
Where are you in the PRP / Are you 320 rated? I know of someone who was offered 320 Mainline LHR despite only being about 6 months in the company when chopped (they joined in Jan 2020 IIRC). They were however 320 rated.
Have also been told by a fairly senior (320) trainer that their "working assumption now is everyone that wants to come back has a course date". I don't know how this translates to other fleets. I'm not trying to knock you down, just repeating what I've been told. Hopefully they're just working towards your point in the list. There are still some at the very bottom who havent been offered anything yet (very few) And also 40-60 who were unable to make their first offer due to notice, bond payments or waiting for LH (I would presume around 70-80 left all in?) Then the PHP under that (unsure of size). I would be surprised if there is any external recruitment this year. Wouldnt surprise me after PRP and PHP drained it slowed down completely, but only indivividuals in planning would be able to say for sure. |
Originally Posted by balpalover69
(Post 11252247)
There are still some at the very bottom who havent been offered anything yet (very few)
And also 40-60 who were unable to make their first offer due to notice, bond payments or waiting for LH (I would presume around 70-80 left all in?) Then the PHP under that (unsure of size). I would be surprised if there is any external recruitment this year. Wouldnt surprise me after PRP and PHP drained it slowed down completely, but only indivividuals in planning would be able to say for sure. |
The Priority Hold Pool (terminated offers) in theory should be 3 months worth of courses/candidates - don't know how many would have run a month and numbers on courses. Standard offer to start date was 3 months back in 2019/20.
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If anybody is tempted to get back into it by joining Euroflyer down in Gatwick, let me assure you it’s wonderful.
If you enjoy 6 on 1 off starting with lates and rotating backwards to mornings, and working with cabin crew who’ve slept for 4 hours in the last 5 days then really, it’s the place for you! |
Originally Posted by ClearedToNowhere
(Post 11254980)
If anybody is tempted to get back into it by joining Euroflyer down in Gatwick, let me assure you it’s wonderful.
If you enjoy 6 on 1 off starting with lates and rotating backwards to mornings, and working with cabin crew who’ve slept for 4 hours in the last 5 days then really, it’s the place for you! |
Any word yet on direct entry hiring in the reasonably near future?
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Originally Posted by ClearedToNowhere
(Post 11254980)
If anybody is tempted to get back into it by joining Euroflyer down in Gatwick, let me assure you it’s wonderful.
If you enjoy 6 on 1 off starting with lates and rotating backwards to mornings, and working with cabin crew who’ve slept for 4 hours in the last 5 days then really, it’s the place for you! Friend of mine just got his CMD in LGW. Startup OPS as expected, nothing unusual.. small base and nice chaps there. Average sector length is around 3,5hrs due to the route network (Spain, Greece, Italy, Turkey..) So for the rocket scientist: 7hours per day times 6 days = 42hours + another lets say 6 days and you are with 84hrs... so not that much left you can do in the remaining 18 days.. ;-) Anyhow.. don't feed the troll.... |
Originally Posted by A320LGW
(Post 11256256)
Any word yet on direct entry hiring in the reasonably near future?
Plan is extremely fluid - potential DEP numbers for next year differ from none to a lot on a weekly basis, but entirely depends on BA’s ability to recover (build up the rest of the operation such as below the wing and not forgetting the LH a/c delivery delays). I believe it’s a little more negative now than what it was a few weeks ago, but only time will tell and regardless they’re keen to get numbers in a hold pool for new DEPs just in case. Aside from those who remain in the PRP.. PHP + (no contract) Hold Pool equals around 150 heads so that’ll absorb a chunk of vacancies, but it sounds like everything’s ready to go to launch a campaign IF it’s needed.. I say this and they’ll announce it tomorrow.. |
For anyone hoping to apply it might be worth bearing in mind that BA initially *said* they would honor people already in the recruitment process, if not honor their position, possibly give them first dibs on reapplying, which was at least a few month worth of assesments...
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OK thanks for the info guys. Let's hope it happens sooner rather than later
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