Norse Atlantic
 

Norse is now accepting online applications.

Any news/rumors on when they are likely to start the screenings? will they hire preferably former Norwegian guys?

You would like to think so - as should all other airlines that carried out fire and rehire schemes!

How are they intending to fulfill the requirements for a UK AOC? Not based here or financially headquartered? Oh and it’s not fire and rehire as that was obviously a completely different airline ….apparently.

Closing date for applications is 31/10

787/777 preferable but not essential. I’ve given it a go although I’m 737 TR. As most of the management are ex Norwegian, I guess there might be an understandable bias toward ex crew.

Interesting, let's see what's gonna happen now...

I find it strange that people will give them another chance.
Norwegian in disguise.

Well let the market/investors decide . In the meantime, those that are eligible, have an opportunity to gain employment in their chosen profession again; those that are not eligible, potentially face a little less competition for jobs.

Wonder how long it will take Norse to say ja eller nei? I’m assuming they will have been flooded with applications such is the market.

I heard that the Norse startup will now be kicked into 2023. It certainly doesn’t look like anything is on sale for Q1/Q2 2022.

With Bjorn Kjos behind, I won't expect anything decent

they’ve already had a few of their aircraft painted up in Shannon , I doubt they’ll sit on them for another year

I hope you are correct.

Does anyone think this latest low cost long haul start up will ever turn a profit? Any of the well established LoCo's could add a few wide bodies or even the A321LR to their AOC at minimal risk. There seems to be zero interest from any of them.

I think you're trying to piss on the parade of hundreds of people who are literally dependent on Norse starting up and becoming a success. Like most, I acknowledge its a well trodden and risky path but someone will pull it off one day.

I'm not trying to piss on anything. I've plenty of good mates looking for work. I heard it from a source last week. He is ex Norwegian and had been approached for a management role. I hope they pull it off too.

Yes, it makes completely sense that sensitive informations regarding a launch date are shared to future employees and then on pprune …

About as much sense as painting up aircraft and recruiting staff with no route announcements or ticket sales

Can an airline start selling tickets without having an AOC yet?

Plenty of “Virtual” airlines have done exactly that.

sure, but selling tickets for flights operated by different AOC holders...

Any news? Sounds very quiet…… I guess a million applications to decide on.

2800 applicants for 300 seats.

Blimey! Where did you hear that from?
Guess I was pretty optimistic applying with just a 737 TR. :{

this figure comes from Norse, did you receive any email?

No. nothing.
Assuming you did, that sounds positive and hopefully good news for you. Fingers crossed. :ok:

Was a general update, anyway fingers crossed and good luck everyone...

Just a couple weeks ago there was an article in Bloomberg about the big pilot shortage to come.. yeah right. 😂

Considering no T&Cs were given and basically anyone with airline experience could apply, in the current circumstances a better than one in ten odds was better than I expected for all applicants. Remove those who can not tick most of the boxs of long haul experience, wide body experience, Boeing experience and will not be willing to work for the T&Cs and I suspect the odds look quite good for those left despite not having a 787 type rating.

Those with 787 or 777 experience should be in a very strong position.

The same 2800 pilos are applying to all jobs. There are dozens of airlines hiring right now. Many more to come.

Virtually no new pilots have qualified in the last 2 years. In an average year 5 % of pilots retire. So we have lost 10% plus those that have moved on to other professions.

There will be a shortage, mad as that may seem right now. The re-training bottleneck is going to be pretty epic too.

And are they going to charge for type rating as the previous company did?
Also, there has always been a shortage just around the corner. It has never happened.

I think it is closer to 3 % (based on 40 years of flying, from 25 till 65, it would be 2.5%, but I would guess most don't last the full 40). 5% would mean people would only fly 20 years on average.

I am with Calypso.

There are also thousands of old captains worldwide that either took pre-retirements with good packages (from major airlines) and won't come back or the ones that just had enough and won't come back (furloughed in middle east or asia) because they made enough cash and don't want to dislocate again into an expat life.

The training bottleneck will be in a way as we have never seen before.

All experience shows a massive and super-quick rebound of the customers as soon as routes open up, something the airline leaders have not foreseen and have not planned for.

It is not accidential that Emirates is already inviting applications from pilots who have not worked for Emirates before. I would guess they had to learn quickly that a significant part of their forloughed or fired pilots did not show any interest in returning after Emirates invited them to express interest for a return.

Training departments are usually dimensioned for a rough staff turnover in the region of 3% a year. We are talking more than tripple that.

The population isn't distributed evenly across age because boomers, so reckon it's worse.

I think the crunch will hit our cabin colleagues first- London/SE has a big shortage of hospitality etc workers with T&Cs for ground jobs rising steadily.

Spot on. Walk down the highstreet and every single coffee shop/restaurant/bar has a “staff wanted” poster.

It is a huge problem for Ryanair at the moment. They are trying to recruit Brits like mad for cabin crew, however they are learning the hard way no Brit wants to work for £500 a month.

They are playing the same trick they always do at Ryr of not actually telling people what they will earn before they start, as a consequence of every course of about 30 cabin crew brits, after 6 weeks at least 20 have resigned. Most never even serve notice just don’t come back. I have had delayed flights 3 times in the last month because of cabin crew just resigning on the spot and not telling anyone!

Bit off topic, but highlighting the stress in hospitality sector.

I know a few Emirates guys (now ex) that won’t be going back. When they were let go they had to relocate back to their home countries. Had to get their kids started in new schools etc. They won’t uproot their families again to go back.

Curious. Is this the US being protectionist?

”U.S. Rep Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), who serves as chair of the U.S. House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, in March 2021 urged the Biden administration to deny a permit for the new Norwegian carrier to enter the domestic market, as reported by Reuters“

https://www.timesunion.com/hudsonval...t-16632576.php

Fairly generic email received from Norse asking me again if I am TR/TRE on 787/777 (neither) and country of license issue.

Strange, as this info was on original application. Anyone else received the same?

Looks like you have to pay for your 787 rating too.


We have decided to change our requirements to attend assessment in Norse Atlantic Airways.
⁃ The requirement of valid 777/787-rating is removed, but you need to obtain valid rating before starting OCC-course.

Yes and I thought the same thing

Also seems strange they're "lowering" the requirements given how many people applied

It's not realistic to have people renew their 777/787 on the hope of getting the only 787 job going in Europe. That's good old Scandinavian socially responsible sense right there!

:ugh: same same captain🤷🏻‍♂️