Ryanair Salary with the Covid 19
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Finally what is the plan of Ryanair after the 50% reduction of basic salary ? |
I’m pretty sure you won’t find the answer to that on a social media platform.
Indeed, the future plans of any European airline are probably not going to be revealed here either! But if you’re after rumour/speculation/conjecture, then that’s different 🤣🤣 |
Originally Posted by Pilot2/b
(Post 10746408)
Isn’t the RYR basic salary quite low in comparison to other airlines? So a 50% cut to this is huge compared to others? 😬
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Affirm , pilot2 the situation could be worse. Some people told me that FR suspended contracts in some countries without salary... 😖
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Originally Posted by 737 CL
(Post 10747201)
Affirm , pilot2 the situation could be worse. Some people told me that FR suspended contracts in some countries without salary... 😖
That is the case of Spain where FOs on Ryanair direct contract can expect around 850€ net all coming from the government. It is also worth mentioning the unpaid leave illegally assigned last month in Italy ignoring both the queries of their workforce and the unions. Some captains had even 3000 or 4000 euros deducted from their payslips, and I have seen a 103€ net pay check of a cabin crew. I’m sure management is doing fine, even with a 50% pay cut. |
Well what do you guys expect, you all signed up to these contracts.
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
(Post 10747704)
No, there's no such thing as unpaid leave in Italy according to the employment laws and that was a breach of contract. When you sign a contract, you don't expect its clauses to be breached.
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Does anyone working for FR in Italy actually have a Italian contract that follows Italian labour laws? Aren't all the contracts Irish!?
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Originally Posted by FRogge
(Post 10747793)
Does anyone working for FR in Italy actually have a Italian contract that follows Italian labour laws? Aren't all the contracts Irish!?
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So,
in Italy Pilots receive 0 € due to illegal unpaid leave. Does Italian government give any money to FR pilots? In Spain 50% reduction of Basic salary ? Aprox 2000€ For Cap and 850€ is that correct ? |
In italy pilots will get 80% of their average payslip in the last 12 months, starting april. Paid by the state, since the company pays social security to those under direct contract
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But a lot of pilots in Italy have Malta Air contracts under these contracts Italy supported them ?
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Malta Air is a maltese AOC but taxes and social security are paid in italy in accordance with the local legislation like any other company based there, so employees are entitled to the same social benefits.
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Originally Posted by dirk85
(Post 10747965)
In italy pilots will get 80% of their average payslip in the last 12 months, starting april. Paid by the state, since the company pays social security to those under direct contract
No...40% and then once approved FSTA the rest 60% considering 80% gross of previous year. Don't spread wrong info. My 2 cents |
It’s 80% of the average gross salary, how is that wrong? It turns out less than 80% net because of the different taxation of the cigs compared to the normal salary the way FR structured the contract. The money of the FSTA will be paid back in arrear.
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And what about Spain ?
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ERTE in Spain is capped at around 1000 eur net from what I understand.
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Fortunately in Italy are in better conditions !!!
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Originally Posted by dirk85
(Post 10748164)
ERTE in Spain is capped at around 1000 eur net from what I understand.
- 1098€ no kids - 1254€ one kid - 1411€ two kids or more Above figures all gross. In Spain, March salaries have been paid in full I was told, as opposed to Italy where the unpaid leave was illegally assigned and deducted from the total pay. However, state aids of Italy seem to be much better as described by Dirk85. |
UK: 50% of the salary or as per the Job Retention Scheme (80% of wages capped to £2500, you must be furloughed meaning not providing a service but you can still receive training), whichever is higher. You will pay tax and national insurance.
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Is still the majority of FR pilots self employed contractors? I can imagine they are paid naught, or?
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Originally Posted by FRogge
(Post 10748554)
Is still the majority of FR pilots self employed contractors? I can imagine they are paid naught, or?
In Ryanair Sun (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Bulgaria and probably some more Eastern European country I don’t remember), there are only contractors, who had a minimum guaranteed of 40h per month. When all of this started, they were quickly sent a shameful pdf to sign and send back, accepting the 40h to be reduced to 12h, otherwise face dismissal. Those working their notice period had their contracts immediately terminated with one day notice. |
Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
(Post 10749314)
Contractors might now regret minimising tax by deliberately running their prior years accounts to show minimal profit - because in some countries there is government support for the self employed, but based on a percentage of previous years profits!
It’s worth remembering that a great chunk of contractors did try to switch to a direct contract and were ignored/turned down based on the fact that there were “no vacancies” :confused: |
Originally Posted by Full_blast
(Post 10749528)
It’s worth remembering that a great chunk of contractors did try to switch to a direct contract and were ignored/turned down based on the fact that there were “no vacancies” :confused:
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For How long Italy and Spain is paying the ERTE or 80% of the salary ?
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Indeed, genuine self employed that are already established on the HMRC system and up to date with tax returns for previous years, will get 80 % of 3 months profit averaged over a year, capped at £2500 (which then becomes taxable) so no getting any with that, but if you are unfortunate enough to be a "Director" of some dodgy tax evasion scheme then expect some fairly detailed digging to occur before they pay you anything. The general advice seems to be if one falls in the later category, for the sake of a few months let sleeping dogs lay. Your silver lining may become your black cloud
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Originally Posted by Kirks gusset
(Post 10758958)
Indeed, genuine self employed that are already established on the HMRC system and up to date with tax returns for previous years, will get 80 % of 3 months profit averaged over a year, capped at £2500 (which then becomes taxable) so no getting any with that, but if you are unfortunate enough to be a "Director" of some dodgy tax evasion scheme then expect some fairly detailed digging to occur before they pay you anything. The general advice seems to be if one falls in the later category, for the sake of a few months let sleeping dogs lay. Your silver lining may become your black cloud
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Originally Posted by 737 CL
(Post 10758566)
For How long Italy and Spain is paying the ERTE or 80% of the salary ?
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ERTE pays you 70% for up to six months and up to 50% after that. I think it’s limited to one year duration, but not 100% sure on that.
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It really is down to the luck of the draw as to what you get. Not to add too much doom and gloom, but there is also the question how the government is going to pay for all this, with reduced tax income etc. One option is a levy on people's assets. So you might have a dramatically reduced income and then have to pay 10% on the value of your house or your pension. I am just picking things at random, but the point remains that the trillions being pledged around the world are our money and will have to be paid back.
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Post of the day, thread-independent.
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Does anybody have the figures for a Malta Air contract in Italy? That is, in normal circumstances.
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
(Post 10759272)
Does anybody have the figures for a Malta Air contract in Italy? That is, in normal circumstances.
What do you want to know? Position? |
Originally Posted by SAB
(Post 10759308)
What do you want to know? Position?
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Thanks very much.
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One further question: is the figures the same for crews based in MLA?
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
(Post 10759391)
One further question: is the figures the same for crews based in MLA?
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Anybody have the Salary in figures for the Malta Air contract in Italy as Captain?
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Many thanks Banana I think it is an old contract. Does anybody knows the average take home with Malta Air contract in Italy as Captain?
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They offered a new contract to sign with worst terms and conditions. If you don’t want to sign .... You are out.
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