I do. Not many I will grant you, but there are guys at Jet2 that left Jet2 to go to TUI and hated it and have returned.

Does anyone notice a trend here that anything even remotely positive mentioned about TUI is quickly knocked down by those at Jet2?

Why is that?

I notice that when Thomas Cook were still around it was a friendly competitive attitude, just banter between colleagues at the two employers.
Certainly only my opinion but it’s quite sad that it’s not just the odd comparison of T’s and C’s these days, the impression I get more often that not is it’s basically whatever Jet2 do is the best, and anyone else can happily keep quiet.

unfortunately the management culture is “ let’s give um a good kicking”.
whether it is other companies,airports, or more importantly employees that are deemed unworthy.

I was one of the 600 who lost their job when Thomas Cook folded. Luckily, I was offered a new job with Jet2. I have found them to be excellent and I'm very happy with the overall package. I applied for dozens of jobs but my main focus was staying in the UK. I'm sure I would have been equally happy with TUI but I didn't get an interview.

Some people are rather childish about "their airline" being better or superior to others. What matters is that as an employee you are happy. Simple as that.

Lets hope we are all around wearing our existing uniforms 6 months from now.

What a pointless statement. The work which Jet2 and Tui short haul do is broadly similar in the destinations they fly to. But Tui’s terms and conditions are significantly better. Hence the significant flow of (excellent) Jet2 pilots to Tui. The fact that a handful may have returned to Jet2, says nothing. It’s about as relevant as saying my grandad lived to be a 102 even though he smoked 50 cigarettes a day. Anecdotally it’s true, but hardly disproves the accepted facts.

I would disagree, I was merely pointing out that the comment that inferred that nobody leaves TUI to go to Jet2 is incorrect.

TUI do have better T’s and C’s but their swapping round of 787 to 737 and sending people to Scandinavia and bullet trips followed by taxis across the country doesn’t suit all. Don’t get me wrong, Jet2 has warts, as do all airlines.

I would go with a similar view to Whitemonk - Jet2/Tui top of the list, EZY next, BA if it suits you personally and McDonalds before Valdermort Airlines.

I find it extremely hard to believe they “hated” being at TUI. What’s to be hated about better Ts&Cs, better pay and opportunity for LH?

I agree with the other posters. Most of us have a “we’re all in this together” kinda attitude but the J2 brigade soon turn up to shout them down!

If you want to play that game I flew with a few ex J2 Captains in my FR days and they said they’d never go back - must be something wrong with them huh?

And if you want to play THAT game, I was at Britannia when far better T&C’s than the current TUI offering were the norm and saw sizeable numbers leave for EasyJet, Virgin, BA and the Middle East, never to return. Must be something wrong with them huh?

channel express fly flowers from Bournemouth to the islands, Britannia fly passengers around the globe,
its the mental aspect of a wanna be culture

No airlines’ T&C’s are as good as they were 15+ years ago chap.

I’m merely trying to understand certain J2 guy’s insecurities which become apparent whenever anybody says something positive about TUI.

Case in point I guess.

Or maybe it’s because J2 guys are soundly fed up with the derogatory comments directed to them and the company over the years, a number of which were from TUI pilots. Guess drinking all that kool- aid has provided a certain level of resilience.

And as for the “No airlines’ T&C’s are as good as they were 15+ years ago chap.” comment. There’s one where T&C’s are significantly better than they were 15 years ago ‘chap’.

Yet even this quote is misleading. There are pilots who are dual fleeted. Many were surprised that this option was so heavily bid for and over subscribed during the last bid round. Some pilots like it! The Scandinavia flying suits some people very well and there is an element of taxing from one base to another. But it is hardly a significant part of most pilots experience in Tui. You are quite simply wrong and as others have pointed out, question your motives. I wish Jet2 pilots well and I hope their terms and conditions improve quickly to rival those that Tui presently enjoy. We are all in this together.

Agreed, and no further comments from me. Good luck to everyone no matter what colour your fuselage.

FNF. The trick is to not spend your life in that hotel room, but get out and about.

That's just absolutely beautiful when you're young, dumb and full of :oh:​​​​​​

It's easy to get into that lifestyle but it doesn't appease to everyone.

Jet2 vs TUI vs shorthaul vs long haul vs could’a vs should’a vs would’a and then there’s the haters.
Whatever airline you work for (I’ve worked for more than half a dozen) there are always those who spend their time bitching about everyone but themselves. Thankfully there are some who are more self aware and appreciate what they have, spend some time reflecting and appreciate the simple things. It generally keeps getting better for those types, whoever they work for. Ts and Cs apart some people will never be happy. A group of people can convince themselves that the sky is green or that their airline isn’t going bust, it doesn’t alter the reality. I don’t get the jealousy, it’s a free market.
Im at TUI, flying long haul and happy. If the pay check goes into the bank on the 25th I’ll be even happier. It’s always been month to month in my head.......it’s all a bonus, nothing is a certainty. It’s going to end one day so enjoy the journey. I remember the good guys I’ve flown with in whatever airline under whatever Ts and Cs we had at the time. CV19, I Hope, will come to an end and we can all get back to flying, with a big smile on our face.

I was in Britannia too.

Exactly how many people, do you know who left Britannia to go to

1 easyjet
2 virgin

Britannia had a better pension than the current Tui one but my work life balance is much better now than it ever was in Britannia days.

I know 1 who left to go to easyJet for a quicker command and a basing not offered by Britannia. There are undoubtedly many more coming the other way. My Britannia colleague went for a virgin interview and they asked him what he was doing there, he stayed in Britannia/Tui in the end.

Britannia and Tui have their faults but it’s simply not realistic say that sizeable numbers leave for easyJet and virgin.

in the same way that Tui doesn’t get pilots from BA because their terms and conditions are seen as better.

whatdoesthisbuttondo

I’d disagree, plenty of people have left TUI and gone to Virgin in recent years. TUI’s highly average pension, lack of a proper salary scale (with top salaries a lot less), endless positioning on certain fleets and the threat of dual fleet saw many post-2012 joiners leave in the last couple of years. Mainly to BA, but they hire huge numbers of people compared to Virgin so that’s why you hear less of it.

Different story to those who joined pre 2012. Britannia is also a different story. But I’m talking about today.

TUI is still a good company, and better than J2 and Ryanair in my view. But I’d rather be at BA or VS. Some of the more senior TUI guys fail to understand this, but I think some of them forget what conditions new joiners are coming in on.

I’m with the orange lot, been there 16 years there must be a reason, oh yes I’m home with the family everyday, despite popular belief I can count on one hand how many 4 sector days I’ve done in the past 6 months and I’ve not know anyone leave here to go to TUi. I bid for what I want and generally get it. Yes we have a new bloke from Ryanair who used this crisis to try and force a Ryanair contract on us and the entire workforce including base management united and said no. I’m sure he will try again but after his efforts I cannot see how he can maintain his position.

Now the main point is it doesn’t matter what airline you work for. The best ones are the ones who pay you a competitive package, give you the base you want, be financially secure and give you the lifestyle that works best for you. Everyone is different. I have no interest in long haul, or flying back from Turkey touching down at my base at 6am, but that’s me and everyone is different.

Right now fingers crossed we all pull through together.

FNF. I suggest another career If you do not enjoy visiting places and the company of others. Aircrew are generally able to get on with colleagues professionally and socially even when few will ever make it to your xmas card list.