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Jet2, Tui Or Ryanair?

Which is best to work for? 3 airlines with a huge presence in the UK (2 of them being British of course), all of which operate 737s and have various bases throughout the UK, meaning that for those of us with 737 ratings and experience and being from the UK, they all have huge appeal. Who has the best and worst pay, time to command, getting preferred base, leave system/allowance, perks etc etc etc

We have had tens of people join TUI from FR and Jet2.

I don't know of any that have gone the other way, i think that answers your question.

I'll bite simply as it may help some of the TCX guys who have decisions to make...

There is no doubt TUI offer a better overall package but that gap is fast closing and not much use if you are already a Captain.

Circa 117k for a Jet2 Captain for 450 to 600 hours per year, plus optional profit share after a year which is an additional 8k so 125k total.

36 days AL plus 36 days requested days off (RDOs), the latter are capped at 3 a month and both can be booked online through a very handy system well in advance. I already comfortably have all of my personal days off and leave booked off between now and October 2020.

Only getting bigger and overall a great place to be right now. For experienced FOs, 6 to 9 months to get your third stripe depending on the time of year, SFO pay roughly 77k plus 6k bonus for similar hours as above. Time to command realistically 18 months to 3 years and your face does have to fit, the pass rate has improved dramatically over the last 2 years with the new command process also.

People do leave to go to TUI to fly the 787, but 757 replacement will be announced next year and with TCX gone long haul is inevitable here in the future.

Ryanair, through all their other range of race-to-the-bottom sister brand names, are right now imposing paycuts of up to 25% one base at a time using their usual divide and conquer bullying tactics. My advise would be not to get anywhere near them right now

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People do leave to go to TUI to fly the 787, but 757 replacement will be announced next year and with TCX gone long haul is inevitable here in the future

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I hope not. Leave it to TUI, BA and Virgin. Longhaul is a fantastic way to haemorrhage cash

All depends on age and qualifications.
If you are young and have time on your hand working towards retirement, TUI seems best option.
If you are a captain looking for a new similar job, Ryanair may well be best option as expansion in Jet 2 over last few year has ceased and in TUI there is a seniority list.

Circumstances differ.

You've got to wonder if TUI or Jet2 would end up going the same way as Monarch and TCX someday.

If I were ex-TCX today I would look at RYR/EZY/WZZ. Those are the ones to survive in the long run besides some of the regionals (with good network) and the usual suspects (IAG/LH/AF-KLM). I doubt if there is any future for the charter/leisure operators (in the long run). Brexit or not, the UK will still remain part of the European and Trans Atlantic aviation market, which is something to consider when looking for a secure job (if anything like that exists these days...).

Laughable to suggest RYR or WZZ as better options... Uproot your family to live in Eastern Europe? As nice as parts of it are, no thanks.
Ryanair are literally forcing people to move country to a new base or accept unpaid leave and will screw you any chance they get, and will never ever change.

TUI/Jet2 are both profitable business who treat their staff with respect and pay them well. TUI are suffering with the Max but with the demise of TCX both companies are poised to be THE major players in the UK holiday market over the next decade.

People fly with RYR/EZY because they have to, people fly with TUI/Jet 2 because they want to.

Most people I know would kill to have a job in ezy, never heard the same for jet2 (or tui for that matter), but hey, we are all different.

Eastern Europe, dirk85...might be acceptable for their stag parties, but for anything else, good old stiff upper lip prevails...just wondering how long those Jet2, TUI and the likes will be around with the current purchasing power (and Pound exchange rate) of the British holidaymaker.

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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 10579609)

People fly with RYR/EZY because they have to, people fly with TUI/Jet 2 because they want to.

The thing laughable here is you speaking on behalf of the whole airline travelling public...

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People fly with RYR/EZY because they have to

You NEVER have to fly with Valdermort Airlines, there is always another way.

Ryanair are a last resort. See latest base closures and threats of redundancies while at the same time expanding their lower cost group airlines (Lauda, Buzz etc)

Whitemonk returns

whitemonk, I cant help thinking you are geographically challenged, WZZ have a Luton base and last time I went north on the M1 Luton was a few miles up the road from Watford.

I beg your forgiveness if Luton has in fact been moved to Eastern Europe in the last few months but refuse to be drawn on the question of the merits of moving Luton far to the east.

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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 10579609)

Wizz have a base at Luton now that was short staffed when I spoke to someone in July. I work for another A320 operator based at another London airport, but have seriously considered going pink as their terms look very attractive, especially regarding mainly 2 sector days (I'm not getting any younger). I've worked in Eastern Europe previously both within aviation and outside of it and enjoyed it, so personally wouldn't be phased if LTN isn't available, however for anyone else it's naturally a matter of personal choice.

I have never worked for Ryanair, but spoke to a Luton-based Captain when going on holiday in January who is happy there. For those with a family Ryanair can in many cases be ideal, it's why I've stayed with a carrier that has me in my bed every night rather than one that doesn't.

In answer to the original question, Jet2 and TUI are likely to remain the dominant players in holiday travel, so the question is whether people will continue to book holidays in the way they do now. I personally prefer to DIY to places people don't naturally go (hence using Wizz a lot for personal travel), but there is a market for packages out there and that's likely to remain.

My tone re WZZ was unintentionally dismissive but I don't see them as a realistic option. If you are in your 20s and single I would be there in a flash believe me. Only option is a LTN base in the UK as mentioned and as far as I can tell they provide zero pension contributions. Happy to be corrected on that one but thats what it says on PPJN, I do know people who work for WZZ who are happy however, most went there for the quick commands and good on them.

EZY pay well but I have absolutely no interest in working as hard as they do with the tax system in the UK.

RYR only as a last resort

500 hours a year, 5.5k minimum a month plus pension, plus profit share and part time options widely available after year 1. I truly wish there were more options in the UK to spice things up a bit but right now Jet2 is the only game in town for DEC. Happy hunting.

Personally, I see this as a seismic shift in the job market for Airlines! The days of loyalty and long term secure job prospects are gone! For anyone to say the package holiday is dead is talking utter rubbish! Two major tour operators that have failed recently (TCX AND Monarch) we’re down to incredibly poor management, lack of shire from ownership and inability to react to a changing market. Speak to any person with young children who want to dump their bags at check in, fall out of a foreign Airport onto a coach, arrive at a hotel where their families and children are catered for ... They will tell you just how valuable a package holiday is! Jet2 are very very good at this! Award winning at it in fact. I do not believe for one second the package holiday is dead... Why are Easy Jet planning on selling holidays? Also, the ABTA/ATOL bond will scare the great British public into booking package deals, especially as the all inclusive element will help protect against a very weak pound. I for one see a future in both TUI and Jet2. The very unfortunate demise of Cook has possibly caused a correction in the market. But Jet2 are 50/50 package/seat only, so are therefore well placed to capitalise on a dynamic market.

Truth is, those of us who have been around long enough to see the market cycles since 9/11 can attest that there is no certainty or predictability. I have the misfortune of being a BA Pilot and would suggest a third runway at Heathrow will certainly not provide stable long term employment, but the emergence of other carriers! Quite simply no one knows, but I think it’s fair to say the days of joining an Airline with the expectation of waiting ones time, feeling warm fuzzy and secure are gone! It’s better to expect to move around to suit the needs of you and your family..... That is what matters and many Pilots seem to still chase the big ticket gigs.

I am deeply saddened by the failure of TCX it was genuinely the best Airline I flew for, but, I have zero doubt the great people who are enduring dark times right now will be scooped up quickly and there will undoubtedly be new opportunities in the form of expansion or recruitment season from other Airlines once the dust has settled.

Let's be clear: any company will do EXCEPT any Ryanair related rat company :mad: