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samca 22nd May 2019 21:12
Iberia Direct Entry FO long haul
 
Today Iberia has published a job offer for long haul A330/350 FOs type rated and not type rated.
Good luck everybody

samca 23rd May 2019 09:08
Originally Posted by El grande burrito (Post 10477755)
What are the conditions for new entrants? I seem to remember they were pretty poor for the first couple of years at least.
It seems to be that around 4000 net and every 2 years you climb 1 level. Is mainly for the 330/350 and they are looking for ATPL pilots I think.

cheers

samca 23rd May 2019 21:30
Originally Posted by elmensajero (Post 10477810)

It is more 3000€/month than 4000€/month what you will get as an Iberia FO on long haul. Good news is that you’ll wear a hat like a Pan Am pilot.
Is very close to 4000 first year. You join in level 9 directly

Solenoid 23rd May 2019 22:47
Originally Posted by samca (Post 10478228)


Is very close to 4000 first year. You join in level 9 directly
quite bad anyway

bringbackthe80s 23rd May 2019 23:01
How is it bad if you’re a 25 years old and get on IB 350 directly?? I WISH I had this chance

Newcomer2 24th May 2019 07:07
Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 10478262)
How is it bad if you’re a 25 years old and get on IB 350 directly?? I WISH I had this chance
Because in real legacies, longhaul FOs are closer to 10000 a month...

bringbackthe80s 24th May 2019 07:15
Sure keep dreaming

aloa326 24th May 2019 07:58
Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 10478388)
Sure keep dreaming

4000 is low especially for a flag carrier and long haul.
for sure is not so uncommon get between 7000/8000 net a month.

it is not a dream is a matter of responsibility and requirements to comply.

Newcomer2 24th May 2019 08:15
Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 10478388)
Sure keep dreaming
And keep living in denial.
A long haul FO at Air France gets at least 8000 a month. Right now you can get on the 330 after just 1 year in the company, or the 777 after 3 years.
Even Ryanair pays their Spanish FOs more than what Iberia is giving to theirs on the 350. What does it tell you?
It's because of people thinking like you that the conditions and benefits are not like what they used to be in the 80s, pretty ironic given your username...

samca 24th May 2019 09:23
Originally Posted by Newcomer2 (Post 10478423)


And keep living in denial.
A long haul FO at Air France gets at least 8000 a month. Right now you can get on the 330 after just 1 year in the company, or the 777 after 3 years.
Even Ryanair pays their Spanish FOs more than what Iberia is giving to theirs on the 350. What does it tell you?
It's because of people thinking like you that the conditions and benefits are not like what they used to be in the 80s, pretty ironic given your username...
also it depends how many years you fly as FO. Every 2 years your salary improve, anyway agree with you that is not a salary for long haul flag career.
Even Air Europa is paying 5000 net in 787 .
that is the aviation we have in Spain.
regarding Ryanair paying their FOs more, not agree, you make the same but the different is that they kill you flying 4 sectors 25 min turnaround on 737.

Newcomer2 24th May 2019 11:01
Originally Posted by samca (Post 10478484)

you make the same but the different is that they kill you flying 4 sectors 25 min turnaround on 737.
I agree it can be exhausting. But long haul flights, jetlag and sleepless nights are quite tiring as well. It's just not the same type of fatigue but not better in my opinion

MCDU2 24th May 2019 13:22
Our new joiners (non type rated) are on mid 40s (euros) before the extras such as sector pay. Bit more if they are typed. They get by in Ireland which is one of the most heavily taxed countries in Europe. As a long haul FO in Iberia I would assume you can live in the back arse of just about anywhere in continental Europe subject to their on call rules and 4k would go a long way. Its certainly a hell of a lot better than any TP operator would pay you and you won't be on it for long out of your 20-30 year career. You join a legacy for the career prospects, fleet, command, seniority agreements, pension, union recognition, CV, staff travel etc. Go LCC if you want to earn money straight off the bat but it will quickly plateau and you will then be staring across the ramp at the legacies wondering what could have been as you will be in a financial position where you cannot "afford" to downsize back to year 1 at a legacy. Have met so many people that wish they would have left a LCC after 18 months but never did and now can't shift to somewhere where they can move their careers along.

hans brinker 24th May 2019 22:15
Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 10478388)
Sure keep dreaming
Second year FO pay on widebody in the USA is around $175/hr. You will be paid about 1000hr/yr, get another 16% in your pension plan account and about 10% (depends on carrier) in profit sharing. You will pay about 35% tax totsl on your taxable income (pension is before tax). comes out to about €13,000.= per month after tax.

bringbackthe80s 24th May 2019 23:08
Originally Posted by MCDU2 (Post 10478700)
Our new joiners (non type rated) are on mid 40s (euros) before the extras such as sector pay. Bit more if they are typed. They get by in Ireland which is one of the most heavily taxed countries in Europe. As a long haul FO in Iberia I would assume you can live in the back arse of just about anywhere in continental Europe subject to their on call rules and 4k would go a long way. Its certainly a hell of a lot better than any TP operator would pay you and you won't be on it for long out of your 20-30 year career. You join a legacy for the career prospects, fleet, command, seniority agreements, pension, union recognition, CV, staff travel etc. Go LCC if you want to earn money straight off the bat but it will quickly plateau and you will then be staring across the ramp at the legacies wondering what could have been as you will be in a financial position where you cannot "afford" to downsize back to year 1 at a legacy. Have met so many people that wish they would have left a LCC after 18 months but never did and now can't shift to somewhere where they can move their careers along.
What he said.
(And I am one of those who’s NOT in a major)

Newcomer2 25th May 2019 07:27
And that's exactly what I said, people like you lowering the conditions....putting a 350 and a turboprop in the same balance...

alonso1986 25th May 2019 07:32
Originally Posted by MCDU2 (Post 10478700)
Our new joiners (non type rated) are on mid 40s (euros) before the extras such as sector pay. Bit more if they are typed. They get by in Ireland which is one of the most heavily taxed countries in Europe. As a long haul FO in Iberia I would assume you can live in the back arse of just about anywhere in continental Europe subject to their on call rules and 4k would go a long way. Its certainly a hell of a lot better than any TP operator would pay you and you won't be on it for long out of your 20-30 year career. You join a legacy for the career prospects, fleet, command, seniority agreements, pension, union recognition, CV, staff travel etc. Go LCC if you want to earn money straight off the bat but it will quickly plateau and you will then be staring across the ramp at the legacies wondering what could have been as you will be in a financial position where you cannot "afford" to downsize back to year 1 at a legacy. Have met so many people that wish they would have left a LCC after 18 months but never did and now can't shift to somewhere where they can move their careers along.
:D This is absolutely right, and in my case true (looking across the ramp...)

bringbackthe80s 25th May 2019 07:49
Originally Posted by Newcomer2 (Post 10479131)
And that's exactly what I said, people like you lowering the conditions....putting a 350 and a turboprop in the same balance...
Mate, I suspect you are just starting out. Listen to those of us who’ve been flying for 20 years. It’s a good deal all things considered.
Not that you have a choice to make, but just saying.
Enough said, I’m out.

Newcomer2 25th May 2019 08:34
12 years in the industry and 7000h, from turboprops to jets, never paid for a type rating, I think I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. 3500 to 4000 euros flying a widebody is a disgrace, period.

Nil further 25th May 2019 09:32
I was offered an exciting contract”the other day Euro 5k a month for a 320 CPT.
Holy sh1t are people really prepared to work for this ?

Newcomer2 25th May 2019 10:42
Well, according to some people you should have jumped on this offer because it beats being a captain on a turboprop for 3000 a month. And you would have gained a valuable experience to then be hired at a legacy for better conditions...well maybe not at Iberia in fact.
And with that kind of mentality we're selling ourselves.


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