Iberia Direct Entry FO long haul
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And keep living in denial.
A long haul FO at Air France gets at least 8000 a month. Right now you can get on the 330 after just 1 year in the company, or the 777 after 3 years.
Even Ryanair pays their Spanish FOs more than what Iberia is giving to theirs on the 350. What does it tell you?
It's because of people thinking like you that the conditions and benefits are not like what they used to be in the 80s, pretty ironic given your username...
A long haul FO at Air France gets at least 8000 a month. Right now you can get on the 330 after just 1 year in the company, or the 777 after 3 years.
Even Ryanair pays their Spanish FOs more than what Iberia is giving to theirs on the 350. What does it tell you?
It's because of people thinking like you that the conditions and benefits are not like what they used to be in the 80s, pretty ironic given your username...
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And keep living in denial.
A long haul FO at Air France gets at least 8000 a month. Right now you can get on the 330 after just 1 year in the company, or the 777 after 3 years.
Even Ryanair pays their Spanish FOs more than what Iberia is giving to theirs on the 350. What does it tell you?
It's because of people thinking like you that the conditions and benefits are not like what they used to be in the 80s, pretty ironic given your username...
Even Air Europa is paying 5000 net in 787 .
that is the aviation we have in Spain.
regarding Ryanair paying their FOs more, not agree, you make the same but the different is that they kill you flying 4 sectors 25 min turnaround on 737.
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I agree it can be exhausting. But long haul flights, jetlag and sleepless nights are quite tiring as well. It's just not the same type of fatigue but not better in my opinion
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Our new joiners (non type rated) are on mid 40s (euros) before the extras such as sector pay. Bit more if they are typed. They get by in Ireland which is one of the most heavily taxed countries in Europe. As a long haul FO in Iberia I would assume you can live in the back arse of just about anywhere in continental Europe subject to their on call rules and 4k would go a long way. Its certainly a hell of a lot better than any TP operator would pay you and you won't be on it for long out of your 20-30 year career. You join a legacy for the career prospects, fleet, command, seniority agreements, pension, union recognition, CV, staff travel etc. Go LCC if you want to earn money straight off the bat but it will quickly plateau and you will then be staring across the ramp at the legacies wondering what could have been as you will be in a financial position where you cannot "afford" to downsize back to year 1 at a legacy. Have met so many people that wish they would have left a LCC after 18 months but never did and now can't shift to somewhere where they can move their careers along.
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Second year FO pay on widebody in the USA is around $175/hr. You will be paid about 1000hr/yr, get another 16% in your pension plan account and about 10% (depends on carrier) in profit sharing. You will pay about 35% tax totsl on your taxable income (pension is before tax). comes out to about €13,000.= per month after tax.
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Our new joiners (non type rated) are on mid 40s (euros) before the extras such as sector pay. Bit more if they are typed. They get by in Ireland which is one of the most heavily taxed countries in Europe. As a long haul FO in Iberia I would assume you can live in the back arse of just about anywhere in continental Europe subject to their on call rules and 4k would go a long way. Its certainly a hell of a lot better than any TP operator would pay you and you won't be on it for long out of your 20-30 year career. You join a legacy for the career prospects, fleet, command, seniority agreements, pension, union recognition, CV, staff travel etc. Go LCC if you want to earn money straight off the bat but it will quickly plateau and you will then be staring across the ramp at the legacies wondering what could have been as you will be in a financial position where you cannot "afford" to downsize back to year 1 at a legacy. Have met so many people that wish they would have left a LCC after 18 months but never did and now can't shift to somewhere where they can move their careers along.
(And I am one of those who’s NOT in a major)
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Our new joiners (non type rated) are on mid 40s (euros) before the extras such as sector pay. Bit more if they are typed. They get by in Ireland which is one of the most heavily taxed countries in Europe. As a long haul FO in Iberia I would assume you can live in the back arse of just about anywhere in continental Europe subject to their on call rules and 4k would go a long way. Its certainly a hell of a lot better than any TP operator would pay you and you won't be on it for long out of your 20-30 year career. You join a legacy for the career prospects, fleet, command, seniority agreements, pension, union recognition, CV, staff travel etc. Go LCC if you want to earn money straight off the bat but it will quickly plateau and you will then be staring across the ramp at the legacies wondering what could have been as you will be in a financial position where you cannot "afford" to downsize back to year 1 at a legacy. Have met so many people that wish they would have left a LCC after 18 months but never did and now can't shift to somewhere where they can move their careers along.
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Not that you have a choice to make, but just saying.
Enough said, I’m out.
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12 years in the industry and 7000h, from turboprops to jets, never paid for a type rating, I think I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. 3500 to 4000 euros flying a widebody is a disgrace, period.
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Well, according to some people you should have jumped on this offer because it beats being a captain on a turboprop for 3000 a month. And you would have gained a valuable experience to then be hired at a legacy for better conditions...well maybe not at Iberia in fact.
And with that kind of mentality we're selling ourselves.
And with that kind of mentality we're selling ourselves.