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Duff Man SA 25th Jul 2018 13:09

Eurowings (Germany)
 
I am thinking of applying to Eurowings - Are there any pilots here (Preferably MUC based) who I could talk to over DM about lifestyle, rosters and actual net pay? German taxes seem complicated to work out.

Thanks in advance.

Arewerunning 25th Jul 2018 18:03

You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

CaptainProp 26th Jul 2018 08:08


Originally Posted by Arewerunning (Post 10206037)
You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

The joy of working for a LH Group company. 😂👍🏻

the flu 26th Jul 2018 10:37

Im really wondering why people are accepting this conditions. Cpt in eurowing bases is earning the same salary as a low level programist living in the same city...

Denti 26th Jul 2018 12:01

Well, the german bases are still looking for FOs as far as i know, with Eurowings Germany. However, expect to be on the right side for around 15 to 20 years. Or be fired in a year or two.

sekmeth 29th Jul 2018 09:09

What is the roster of a FO in eurowings Germany like. Home every night, lots of nightstops etc? Is it possible to live 90mins from base or do I need to move?

dirk85 29th Jul 2018 11:46

Not sure you can afford to pay the fuel driving 3 hours a day on that salary.

sekmeth 29th Jul 2018 12:09

usefull reply, thx!
pay is not that bad. Starting salary is 53.7k gross, exc flight pay. And yes, I am familiar with the german taxes. Its still twice as much as Im earning today

dirk85 29th Jul 2018 12:18

I was going by the numbers posted above, 2200/2500 net a month, as it seems the jobs available are with Eurowings Europe.

Lexsis 29th Jul 2018 15:46


Originally Posted by Arewerunning (Post 10206037)
You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

Do you work for them? Just wondering. 3500 net seems extremely low for a captain... is it really like that?

sekmeth 29th Jul 2018 22:39


Originally Posted by dirk85 (Post 10209235)
I was going by the numbers posted above, 2200/2500 net a month, as it seems the jobs available are with Eurowings Europe.

I was reading that statement as well, but I doubt its correct.
As I have spoken to e Lufthansa representative in Hamburg (at Interpersonal) and with a TRE during my screening, and both confirmed me that they are also looking for German base FOs.
But my main concert atm is my previous question, regarding rosters. Any info regarding a typical roster or a rough estimate would be much appreciated.

CaptainPugwash12 30th Jul 2018 18:16

Also try DHL Cargo in Germany, the same company recruits Eurowings and DHL.

stranotipo 30th Jul 2018 22:28

Eurowings Germany is indeed requiring FOs at the moment. The only caveat is the German language requirement...

in Eurowings Europe there is no such requirement so, as of today those who speak no German they will go to EW EU.

for those doubting the numbers, well try it out for yourself. They are almost done with negotiations for a new contract and it seems there is going to be a whopping 500 Net increase in the numbers mentioned above.

enjoy

dirk85 30th Jul 2018 22:55


Originally Posted by stranotipo (Post 10210480)
They are almost done with negotiations for a new contract and it seems there is going to be a whopping 500 Net increase in the numbers mentioned above.

Happy for them, that way FOs will make the same money as a cabin crew, and the Captains almost FO money in any half decent company.

flyac 31st Jul 2018 09:48

Dirk, even though I'm totally with you when it comes to the very low salary, please stay with the facts. CC at Austrian and EW-EU are earning around 1530 Euro gross and there aren't many Airlines around who pay over 2k gross for FA's. BTW, Austrian, a so called Premium-Carrier, is paying their Pilots a very similar figure to those at EW..

dirk85 31st Jul 2018 10:17


Originally Posted by flyac (Post 10210812)
Dirk, even though I'm totally with you when it comes to the very low salary, please stay with the facts. CC at Austrian and EW-EU are earning around 1530 Euro gross and there aren't many Airlines around who pay over 2k gross for FA's. BTW, Austrian, a so called Premium-Carrier, is paying their Pilots a very similar figure to those at EW..

Yeah, salaries in LG Group subsidiaries seem to be a big problem. It is a shame really.

Denti 31st Jul 2018 10:28


Originally Posted by flyac (Post 10210812)
Dirk, even though I'm totally with you when it comes to the very low salary, please stay with the facts. CC at Austrian and EW-EU are earning around 1530 Euro gross and there aren't many Airlines around who pay over 2k gross for FA's. BTW, Austrian, a so called Premium-Carrier, is paying their Pilots a very similar figure to those at EW..

Well, Austrian might style itself as a premium carrier, but there is a reason they face the very real prospect of parking half their natrowbody fleet caused by lack of FOs.

ReallyAnnoyed 31st Jul 2018 10:59

For comparison, new CC at easyJet in Germany will get around 17-1800 €/month after tax and pursers are on 22-2300 €/month after tax.

dirk85 31st Jul 2018 11:08

Around 700 net more than that for the same position in Italy or France, still with easyJet.

azdriver 7th Aug 2018 09:14


Originally Posted by sekmeth (Post 10209622)
I was reading that statement as well, but I doubt its correct.
As I have spoken to e Lufthansa representative in Hamburg (at Interpersonal) and with a TRE during my screening, and both confirmed me that they are also looking for German base FOs.
But my main concert atm is my previous question, regarding rosters. Any info regarding a typical roster or a rough estimate would be much appreciated.

Even though they are advertising DEFO for Eurowings Germany, keep in mind that those positions are open only to:

1-people that pass DLR
2-people with a German level B2

If you are participating to a selection run by Interpersonal then, do not kid yourself: you are going to be placed in Eurowings Europe with the following bases:

1-VIE
2-Salzburg
3-PMI
4-MUC (it is a big question if that base is still going to be assigned to EW EU since the crews -because of the double taxation agreement between germany and austria- are paying double taxes for the sector flown within germany)

The salary quoted for the first 3 bases on previous posts are correct:

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3200/3500


You can talk to anyone from management and regardless of what they say, those are the numbers. Keep in mind that the Austrian management have some interesting human resources practices where -for whatever reasons and excuses - they seems to continue missing payments for sickness, holidays, sectors and some agreed bonuses. Regardless of what arbeitrech in Austria dictates. Union Vida representatives are quite inexperience guys and are putting very little pressure on the company.

Some people seems to be owned a lot of moneys - I have heard up 20k euro - so be careful in planning your living with the number quoted above, you might get less money after all.

There must be a reason why 2 TRIs plus Post Holder Training recently resign and some young captains too.


enjoy austria flying...


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