Eurowings (Germany)
 

I am thinking of applying to Eurowings - Are there any pilots here (Preferably MUC based) who I could talk to over DM about lifestyle, rosters and actual net pay? German taxes seem complicated to work out.

Thanks in advance.

You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

Well, the german bases are still looking for FOs as far as i know, with Eurowings Germany. However, expect to be on the right side for around 15 to 20 years. Or be fired in a year or two.

I was going by the numbers posted above, 2200/2500 net a month, as it seems the jobs available are with Eurowings Europe.

Do you work for them? Just wondering. 3500 net seems extremely low for a captain... is it really like that?

I was reading that statement as well, but I doubt its correct.
As I have spoken to e Lufthansa representative in Hamburg (at Interpersonal) and with a TRE during my screening, and both confirmed me that they are also looking for German base FOs.
But my main concert atm is my previous question, regarding rosters. Any info regarding a typical roster or a rough estimate would be much appreciated.

Also try DHL Cargo in Germany, the same company recruits Eurowings and DHL.

Happy for them, that way FOs will make the same money as a cabin crew, and the Captains almost FO money in any half decent company.

Dirk, even though I'm totally with you when it comes to the very low salary, please stay with the facts. CC at Austrian and EW-EU are earning around 1530 Euro gross and there aren't many Airlines around who pay over 2k gross for FA's. BTW, Austrian, a so called Premium-Carrier, is paying their Pilots a very similar figure to those at EW..

For comparison, new CC at easyJet in Germany will get around 17-1800 €/month after tax and pursers are on 22-2300 €/month after tax.

Even though they are advertising DEFO for Eurowings Germany, keep in mind that those positions are open only to:

1-people that pass DLR
2-people with a German level B2

If you are participating to a selection run by Interpersonal then, do not kid yourself: you are going to be placed in Eurowings Europe with the following bases:

1-VIE
2-Salzburg
3-PMI
4-MUC (it is a big question if that base is still going to be assigned to EW EU since the crews -because of the double taxation agreement between germany and austria- are paying double taxes for the sector flown within germany)

The salary quoted for the first 3 bases on previous posts are correct:

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3200/3500

You can talk to anyone from management and regardless of what they say, those are the numbers. Keep in mind that the Austrian management have some interesting human resources practices where -for whatever reasons and excuses - they seems to continue missing payments for sickness, holidays, sectors and some agreed bonuses. Regardless of what arbeitrech in Austria dictates. Union Vida representatives are quite inexperience guys and are putting very little pressure on the company.

Some people seems to be owned a lot of moneys - I have heard up 20k euro - so be careful in planning your living with the number quoted above, you might get less money after all.

There must be a reason why 2 TRIs plus Post Holder Training recently resign and some young captains too.


enjoy austria flying...

How are you so sure that non-German speakers cannot get a base in Germany with Eurowings Germany?

AFAIK the requirement is lifted to speak fluently German with EWG.

But how are you so sure? You work for Eurowings? Just curious here, as I also always thought German language skills were required for EWG.

Hi,

Dont you get paid a 13th and 14th month when flying for Eurowings Europe based in Austria?

Anyone knows more about the roster, Pension etc?

Thanks

I've seen the salary posted for the EW europe group, it does indeed look on the low side, after 35percent austrian tax.

Does anyone know how many flight hours one could expect, and therefore an approximation of how much flight pay one could earn per year?

The euro wings germany bases are far more desirable for T and C's..

Here are some facts:
Eurowings Group has several airlines which conduct flight under EW-flightnumber. The 3 most prominent ones (amongst other) are Eurowings Germany, Eurowings Europe and Germanwings.

All of these 3 have a huge demand for first officers because of the pilot contract relation towards Lufthansa mainline (explanation later)!

The German language requirement has been lifted, proper English is now enough. You also do not need to be type rated anymore, type rating is paid with subsequent bonding, no hours requirement as well. Just check on the Eurowings website.

Overall Eurowings Group is well placed in its homebases, having a very strong market share and slot domination, giving it a good long term outlook. Many homebases on offer now for new joiners. What is also good is the backing of Lufthansa, Eurowings is one of the long term strategic pillers of Lufthansa Group, which itself is very strong financially.

Eurowings Germany and Germanwings are unionized and have collective bargaining agreements in place. This means as an individual pilot you are well protected. Training seems to be good from what I hear, SOP and flight ops standards coming from Lufthansa mainline.

I would surely giving it a go if I was looking for a foot into the European market, especially Germany. Germany is nice, people are friendly.

Now which of the three companies to pick?
Eurowings Europe offers VIE or PMI as homebase, pay seems rather low, company is small and under pressure from several new competitors in VIE.
Eurowings Germany and Germanwings have same contract structure now, which is apparently better than Eurowings Europe. So personally I would avoid Eurowings Europe.

Germanwings has one big advantage over Eurowings Germany for prospective applicants: most current Germanwings captains will go back to Lufthansa within the next 4 years, creating a lot of upgrade opportunities within Germanwings, while Eurowings Germany has a rather "stable" pilot demografic and less upgrade opportunities for new joiners.

Since demand is high, probably you could play a bit of poker and insist on joining Germanwings to eventually profit from a fast upgrade.

1201alarm you don't seem to be to well informed.
Many of the aspects you mention are just incorrect.

To just take one as an example: yes many GWI pilots are LH-bound. But: GWI currently has 4 times as many captains as they do have FOs.
Upgrade perspective?!?

Will they close down the AOC in Austria? I saw some news about that. Too much competition from other airlines and I guess they want to protect Austrian a bit...else they might be in deep .... if the war continues there...

there seems to be continue missinformation on this topic even from people inside:

1-The new contract has not been finalised yet. Vida (pilot union) has informed that is very likely that they will reach an agreement by the end of September. That means as of now: new captains are still paid 60000 euros gross plus experience. If the deal finalize the basic pay will be 78000 euros, it seems there will not provision for previous experience anymore.

2- as stated by many before, new captains did not reached 204 sectors in the whole years, some exceptions are present in Wien. Different stories for trainers.

3-Munich base is available only to ex Air Berlin, nobody else. Even people already inside Eurowings Europe (the austrian company) cannot get it.

4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.

5- Munich base will be transfer to Eurowings Germany.

6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)

7- Eurowings Europe (extremely different company from Eurowings Germany) when it comes to respecting laws and contract is worst then ryanair: they did not pay for holidays and sickess as of today, they might start with september paychecks.

Hi there.
MXer, d'you know what to expect from EWE PMI based for a FO 2500h A320, 5000 total (propeller less 19.5tn 1000h PIC)? May I expect an upgrade in a reasonable time? Any information about roster/nights out of base? Thanks in advance.

Some reply to the following:
Im recently hired at EW for a german base, and Im not a native german speaker, far from actually! I have some basic german knowledge and that was enough for me to get in

Do not mix up
1. "Eurowings Europe" EWE (PMI, VIE, SZG bases)

2. Eurowings Germany EWG (bases in Germany)
3. Germanwings (Germany, was crewed by Lufthansa crew who now return to mainline with seniority, will fade out eventually)

-different contracts and terms
-different bases
-different requirements for hours, school and German language

For EWG you have to speak conversational German afaik. If you can learn that in 2 months? Maybe.
And why would you need a visa, coming from the EU being EU citizen.