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recall_checked 9th Mar 2018 13:33


Originally Posted by Snapper5 (Post 10045750)
1) Virgin Atlantic
2) RHS
3) A330
4) Less than a year (November ex Mon)
5) 12
6) 5 I think
7) 40
8) around £73,000 and thatís with 750hrs limitation which I find amazing
9) pension is 15% , around $800 downroute pay , great staff Travel and other perks , crew actually have a good time and socialise
10) Including down route expenses itís around £4500pm ,

Iím happy and lucky , night flights are pretty difficult but I always found them hard !

Happy with the Job security MUCH better than Monarch anyway 😂

Is that £4.5k before you have spent your down route allowances, or is that what you have left?

Snapper5 9th Mar 2018 16:05

Thatís with a few hundred spent downroute , you get the cash out on a card which you can do with as you please

Enzo999 10th Mar 2018 19:00


Originally Posted by Snapper5 (Post 10077838)
Ä2400 jeez !! Your BA colleagues basically do the same thing for £4K ? Looking at the way mr Cruz operates Iím sure that gap will be getting smaller (the wrong way)

And I am sure your colleagues at Hop, Joon, Transavia and Delta Conections all get paid less than you to do basically the same job. Still providing we all keep making money no need for panic just yet!!!

Snapper5 11th Mar 2018 08:29

I actually have to partially agree with you Enzo , thing I hate is that KLM/AF/Delta guys get paid quite a bit more !
Especially Delta , but what a great company Delta is !! Make a [email protected] load of cash and give the employees large pay rises , unlike others which Iím sure you know about

Whisperfail 11th Mar 2018 08:36

1) Nordic Carrier 

2) F/O
3) B737

4) Second year

5) 173 (had a few days off due to parental leave)

6) 45 in full year. 3-7/month

7) 835

8) 3800Ä/month

9) 200-600Ä/month (per diem payments, whereof some are taxable and some not)
-Pension of about 4,5% of salary is payed on top of the basic state pension. (% increase with higher income.)
-Company pays for all expenses with license, medical, uniforms etc. lol & extra medical insurense on top of the state is payed for by the employer. However some taxes are to be payed for those benefits.

10) total gross income 2017 ~50k Ä
- Net income after taxes was around 35k

Kind of high taxes where I live but it comes with some perks like payed parental leave up to a certain income (where basically all pilots hits the cap), and good vacation laws.

Enzo999 11th Mar 2018 10:51


Originally Posted by Snapper5 (Post 10079769)
I actually have to partially agree with you Enzo , thing I hate is that KLM/AF/Delta guys get paid quite a bit more !
Especially Delta , but what a great company Delta is !! Make a [email protected] load of cash and give the employees large pay rises , unlike others which Iím sure you know about

Itís a shame neither of us will ever get to experience the joys of working for Delta! I think you get my point, Vueling are no more colleagues of BA than Virgin is to Hop! Your constant little digs at BA and loving of Monarch, Virgin or who ever it is you currently work for is getting boring. Most people reading your sarcastic comments will simply put your bitterness down to one or several failed application attempts, if this is not the case then simply refrain from bad mouthing a company you have no connection to, that way you wont come across as so arrogant.

Snapper5 11th Mar 2018 13:16

Well I obviously no longer work at Monarch , perfectly happy with the way it has all worked out , loyal to Monarch until the end and now in Virgin . Admittedly I had applied to Virgin a number of times in the past !
Iím not trying to be smug etc...
you Enzo have a chip on your shoulder

Wodka 11th Mar 2018 13:36

1) BACF
2) LHS
3) E190/170
4) 3yrs
5) LOTS
6) 10+ per month is normal
7) 700ish last year, more this year but high duty hrs
8) £74k basic + £6k duty = £80k
9) £2k London weighting + £3k avg. disruption (disruption £250 & day off = £500) + £1k bonus (whatever...)
10) £86k avg = £4500-4800 net avg.

A large gulf indeed from RYR/EZY et al... with increases in weekend & night flying, out of base operations and a probable future re-fleet, mgmt will not be able to hide behind the current excuses of aircraft size & productivity forever.

Enzo999 11th Mar 2018 13:51


Originally Posted by Snapper5 (Post 10079967)
Well I obviously no longer work at Monarch , perfectly happy with the way it has all worked out , loyal to Monarch until the end and now in Virgin . Admittedly I had applied to Virgin a number of times in the past !
Iím not trying to be smug etc...
you Enzo have a chip on your shoulder

Itís not me making barbed comments about other peopleís employers!

felixthecat 11th Mar 2018 14:02

1) EK
2) LHS
3) 777
4) Lots
5) Approx 20 per month
6) 10+
7) 900 plus bunk time
8) £150,000 net (salary flight pay and housing)
9) Pension £15000
10) Tax free so £165000 including pension

Boeing 7E7 11th Mar 2018 14:43

What about the big US carriers? That would be very interesting to hear.

Lepo 11th Mar 2018 17:35

Just to give you guys a perspective of what happens in another part of the world.

1) Employer - GOL Linhas Aereas (Brazil)
2) FO
3) B737NG
4) 3 years of service
5) Usually between 10-13 days off a month.
6) Usually around 5-8 overnights a month.
7) 708h in 2017
8) Gross Income 2017: 160k BRL (around Ä40k)
9) Around Ä300-400 on per diem per month. Per diems are not taxed in Brazil.
Last year airline paid 0,5 salaries on profit share bonus. This year they're paying 0,65.
MyID travel available with tons of airlines.
10) 180k BRL (around 45k Euro)

skyblue738 11th Mar 2018 21:28


Originally Posted by Flocks (Post 10078008)
24000 euro a year, it is 2000euro a month, I hope it is after tax and they didn't ask you to pay your type rating ... And you did 899hours (there are really good at rostering ...)
I know we all need to start, but on a A320, knowing the airline (we all recognise) is working quit well, I don't understand why Europe pilot accept this stuff ...

Actually it's a little bit more, with stand by duty, hours in excess, etc. I forgot to consider that. On average, 2300 net.

Airlines which don't ask you to pay type rating... There aren't a lot.

Sfopilot207 12th Mar 2018 07:57

1) Alaska Airlines/ Virgin America
2) FO
3) A320
4) 2 yrs with the company
5) ~160 Days worked
6) ~ 110 overnights
7) 750 hrs
8) $76K USD
9) $15k USD (Profit sharing +Retirement)
10) $91K USD for 2017

INNflight 13th Mar 2018 23:03

1) Swiss
2) F/O
3) 777
4) 6 years
5) 130-160 maybe
6) 8-10 / month
7) looks like 600-700 p.a.
8) 105,000 CHF / year
9) 1000-1200 CHF per diem / month plus bonus and xmas money if we're lucky
10) ca. 120,000 CHF all in depending on bonus and per diems

hans brinker 14th Mar 2018 05:30

1) Airline employer: USA ULCC
2) Seat : Left
3) Aircraft type; A320
4) Years of Service with company: 5
5) How many days you worked: 15/month
6) How many overnights you had 11/month
7) How many hours you blocked 750/yr
8) Gross income: $195.000
9) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.) retirement $20.000. Per diem $6.000 both untaxed
10) Total gross income. +/- $220.000

All based on flying guarantee (basic schedule), I can normally drop half my schedule or pickup another 30-50 hours of credit (depending on reserve availability) @$210/hr if I want to.

GoodTimes 14th Mar 2018 09:44

Southwest
365k
36k retirement

Marlon Brando 14th Mar 2018 10:05

1) Airline employer: private owner
2) Seat : FO
3) Aircraft type; Challenger
4) Years of Service with company: 1
5) How many days you worked: 180 days
6) How many overnights you had: 180
7) How many hours you blocked : 350hrs
8) Gross income: $60000
9) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.) : 8000
10) Total gross income : 68000$

NXdude 14th Mar 2018 12:40

1) Air Macau
2) LHS
3) A320
4) 4 Years of service
5) 240
6) 4-6/month
7) 900
8) US$90k/year basic
9) 13th salary (by contract), 14th salary (discretionary), sector pay, duty pay, per diem, overtime, triple time on public holidays, housing allowance, laundry allowance, transport allowance, performance incentive.
10) US$200k before tax. Low tax regime gives US$190k after tax. Plus provident fund of 12.5% of basic salary on top, only payable in cash after every 4 years of service.

FlyingGypsy 17th Mar 2018 15:03

Hello all,
First post on here hope your all well ! Fly safe !

1) Eastern Airways UK
2) Right Hand Seat
3) Jetstream 41
4) 2 Years
5) Only Get 7 Days Off PM As A Treat Sometimes 8, Max Duty Hours, 4/6 Some Times 7 Sectors Per Day
6) 15+ Night Stops Per Month Very Rarely At Home Base With Lots Of Days Off Out Station With Only Duty Pay For Your Troubles
7) 60/70hrs Per Month Average
8) Basic Salary £21,495 No Service Pay For FO's You Get Pay for TT and Hours On Type, Joined Company Min Hours So My Salary Is Just Under £23k
9) No Sector Pay, £1.30 Per Hour Duty Pay Roughly £3.5K Per Year 100% Taxed. Total Gross £26K Per Year Net £20,840 That's £1734.26 Net Per Month
10) Pension is 1% from Company 1% Employee, Day Off Payments Very Rare FO £200

geardown1 18th Mar 2018 09:42

1) Loganair
2) RHS
3) SF340
4) 1.5 years
5) Unsure total, off 9 days a month exc. leave.
6) Base dependant, some nil, about 4 or 5 per month for me.
7) 550-600 in a year.
8) £30K
9) £9 per report. £3 per sector. £23 per UK nightstop. Day Off pay £300. 20% pension (8% from me).
10) Averaging monthly gross £3100, net £2500. Rich in the flying I do.

LlamaFarmer 18th Mar 2018 12:05


Originally Posted by FlyingGypsy (Post 10087114)
Hello all,
First post on here hope your all well ! Fly safe !

1) Eastern Airways UK

And what's Eastern like these days??

mikehammer 18th Mar 2018 12:56


Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer (Post 10088004)
And what's Eastern like these days??

Great fun, good colleagues superb flying, terms and conditions accurately depicted above however. Money wise it's a hobby, if you can afford it.

jamestkirk 18th Mar 2018 13:09

Eastern
 
dont forget

11) £50 disruption payment if; its a tuesday, its raining, been an alien invasion, >4 hours delay thats not down to tech, weather, airport closing, global flood but will be paid if this time its a consequence of aforementioned alien invasion, if its not a tuesday. Please note that all disruption payments will be declined in the event you qualify for a disruption payment.

macdo 18th Mar 2018 15:00

By god, Eastern is shocking! My daughter makes more stacking shelves in London.

FlyingGypsy 18th Mar 2018 15:21

As said above the crew make this company, the people who we work with are amazing couldnít get through the day without them! Flying is amazing solid building block to move on to pastures new one day! After my 5 year bond, that is their ploy to hold on to crew, We have lots of crew departing to Jet2. As for rostering / crewing / management absolutely appalling I have nothing to compare with but the way Iím spoken to if I try to voice my opinion on changes to my roster etc which happen daily, and if you do moan next comes the punishment roster lol Iíve never had a roster yet thatís has stayed as published. On average I would say 95% of my roster changes. But Iím greatful for the Job !

a350pilots 18th Mar 2018 17:29


Originally Posted by CaptainProp (Post 10077826)
24000 net? Hell Iíll sign up for that right seat!!

CP

Edit (for clarification): 24k is not 2400.

That is VLG for in a year :eek::eek:

CaptainProp 18th Mar 2018 18:31


Originally Posted by a350pilots (Post 10088296)
That is VLG for in a year :eek::eek:

Apparently so, I thought it was per month! ;-)

Large private jet.
All in all Ä160.000 gross per year + about Ä10K tip or so.
Roughly 200-210 days on duty minus perhaps 15-20 maintenance days per year where I can go home.
Max 400 hours.

CP

El Capitano 18th Mar 2018 19:03

eastern, vlg, enter air, small planet earning
 

Originally Posted by macdo (Post 10088152)
By god, Eastern is shocking! My daughter makes more stacking shelves in London.

I really don,t understand that any pilot accepts these lousy salaries, pay for type rating and even pay for line training.
Please, please stop it! Don,t even go on assessment. Get those scam airlines on their knees.
If they can not or don,t want to pay decent salaries, then they will be due to lack of pilots forced to pay a market conform salary or simply have to stop their operations.

JOSHUA 19th Mar 2018 10:18


Originally Posted by El Capitano (Post 10088368)
I really don,t understand that any pilot accepts these lousy salaries, pay for type rating and even pay for line training.
Please, please stop it! Don,t even go on assessment. Get those scam airlines on their knees.
If they can not or don,t want to pay decent salaries, then they will be due to lack of pilots forced to pay a market conform salary or simply have to stop their operations.

So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......

Denti 19th Mar 2018 10:42


Originally Posted by JOSHUA (Post 10088967)
So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......

Early 2000s were not that bad, if you talk about the really early years. Got my first job in autumn 2000 after a six month job hunt right out of flight school. Could choose between two jobs, one with a Fokker 50 Typerating which i had to pay for, however, after 5 years in the company i would have gotten the money back including interest. And the second job was on a 737, type rating fully paid for by the company including accommodation, business travel to the training facility and back, hotel for the first four weeks at the base to give me time to house hunt, some small training pay and full per diems. And that was not the best job out there by far, Lufthansa hired several hundred ready entries that year, as did their regional Cityline and of course others like Hapag Lloyd (nowadays known as TUI-Fly). It went on into the next year and even continued for a few weeks after 9/11, but then came to a very hard stop.

Needless to say, i never paid for a type rating, always got paid for a job and don't think anybody should do that, but i know it is the accepted norm for many new-hires today. Which is why i do applaud ryanairs move to bond the cadet instead of let them pay, which i hope will put pressure on their competitors to do the same.

macdo 19th Mar 2018 16:48


Originally Posted by JOSHUA (Post 10088967)
So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......

I started a little earlier than that, but not much. Yes, there were good and bad years for recruitment, there was hardly anything in the mid 90's, , then late 90's it got lively and then died again in around 2001. Hey ho, that's capitalism red in tooth and claw. But the big difference was that the jobs, even with the bottom feeding turbo prop operators, came with a paid for type rating and a bond. The bond reduced with your service, or if you left early, you paid it off. I got paid pretty much the same in 97 as an Eastern FO does now, without the debt mountain round my neck. I think there are going to be a lot of very unhappy burnt out, debt laden pilots in the future, juggling training, mortgage and God forbid, divorce costs from a large headline salary, which leaves them with very little left to have fun with.

Northern Highflyer 20th Mar 2018 15:18

Is it true that you guys at Eastern are now having to work more and more weekends ? Probably one of it's best selling points (other than the great crews) was the fact it was largely Mon-Fri flying, except at Aberdeen with it's Sunday flights, and a few charters.

mikehammer 21st Mar 2018 14:02


Originally Posted by Northern Highflyer (Post 10090455)
Is it true that you guys at Eastern are now having to work more and more weekends ? Probably one of it's best selling points (other than the great crews) was the fact it was largely Mon-Fri flying, except at Aberdeen with it's Sunday flights, and a few charters.

Weekend schedules are here at my base, yes. I signed a contract agreeing to hours as required by the company. If i get to not liking that, I know my choices. It suits me, I enjoy the flying, have no interest in being a button pusher for hours on end with no landing and approach currency.

As I said, it's a hobby from a base (sometimes a gateway near you). But you have to be able to afford a job like this.

In spite of the above post re disruption payments, I can only speak of my own experience, and I've not had one denied. I know some who have though, but the rules are in black and white in the manuals.

It's ok here, management are approachable, never bother me, but I keep my nose clean and get on with my job, and for that I feel appreciated. As I say, that's my experience and I'm not exactly new here.

FightFireWithFire 15th Mar 2019 20:47

1) VLG
2) Rhs
3) A320
4) 8 months
5) 12 days off minimum
6) 25 in total more or less, and I've ask for that
7) 547
8) 23. 884Ä net (yes, I went through every single paycheck)

mansaloco 17th Mar 2019 09:08

1) Cargolux
2) Lhs
3) B744/748
4)17 years of service
5)~ 130 days away from home (80% partime scheme)
6)~11 night stops a month
7)~450 hours a year
8)140k a year gross + tax free per diem 100€/day

Reluctant Bus Driver 19th Mar 2019 17:46

AA
CA
A320
27 years
15-20 days a month
a lot
85-90 hours a month
315 000 usd
35000 401k (pension) contribution

El Capitano 19th Mar 2019 18:52

in Europe we do definitely something wrong! Even at the majors the yearly earnings are much lower than in the US. AND we pay much more tax on it. Question of establishment of much, much stronger pan-European pilot unions and every single pilot should not be afraid to fight for their own conditions and be solid air for other pilots concerned. And never, ever accept pay to fly again!QUOTE=Reluctant Bus Driver;10423856]AA
CA
A320
27 years
15-20 days a month
a lot
85-90 hours a month
315 000 usd
35000 401k (pension) contribution[/QUOTE]

Reluctant Bus Driver 19th Mar 2019 21:56

The pay has come back at the U.S. legacies after years of stagnation due to first deregulation then the aftermath of 911. Other than that we are still basically under a bankruptcy contract. Delta and United are doing better. Factor in their profit sharing and narrow body captain pay goes north of 400 000 if you work hard..


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