Is that £4.5k before you have spent your down route allowances, or is that what you have left?

That’s with a few hundred spent downroute , you get the cash out on a card which you can do with as you please

And I am sure your colleagues at Hop, Joon, Transavia and Delta Conections all get paid less than you to do basically the same job. Still providing we all keep making money no need for panic just yet!!!

I actually have to partially agree with you Enzo , thing I hate is that KLM/AF/Delta guys get paid quite a bit more !
Especially Delta , but what a great company Delta is !! Make a sh@t load of cash and give the employees large pay rises , unlike others which I’m sure you know about

1) Nordic Carrier 

2) F/O
3) B737

4) Second year

5) 173 (had a few days off due to parental leave)

6) 45 in full year. 3-7/month

7) 835

8) 3800€/month

9) 200-600€/month (per diem payments, whereof some are taxable and some not)
-Pension of about 4,5% of salary is payed on top of the basic state pension. (% increase with higher income.)
-Company pays for all expenses with license, medical, uniforms etc. lol & extra medical insurense on top of the state is payed for by the employer. However some taxes are to be payed for those benefits.

10) total gross income 2017 ~50k €
- Net income after taxes was around 35k

Kind of high taxes where I live but it comes with some perks like payed parental leave up to a certain income (where basically all pilots hits the cap), and good vacation laws.

It’s a shame neither of us will ever get to experience the joys of working for Delta! I think you get my point, Vueling are no more colleagues of BA than Virgin is to Hop! Your constant little digs at BA and loving of Monarch, Virgin or who ever it is you currently work for is getting boring. Most people reading your sarcastic comments will simply put your bitterness down to one or several failed application attempts, if this is not the case then simply refrain from bad mouthing a company you have no connection to, that way you wont come across as so arrogant.

You never know, some of us might experience Delta one day

Well I obviously no longer work at Monarch , perfectly happy with the way it has all worked out , loyal to Monarch until the end and now in Virgin . Admittedly I had applied to Virgin a number of times in the past !
I’m not trying to be smug etc...
you Enzo have a chip on your shoulder

1) BACF
2) LHS
3) E190/170
4) 3yrs
5) LOTS
6) 10+ per month is normal
7) 700ish last year, more this year but high duty hrs
8) £74k basic + £6k duty = £80k
9) £2k London weighting + £3k avg. disruption (disruption £250 & day off = £500) + £1k bonus (whatever...)
10) £86k avg = £4500-4800 net avg.

A large gulf indeed from RYR/EZY et al... with increases in weekend & night flying, out of base operations and a probable future re-fleet, mgmt will not be able to hide behind the current excuses of aircraft size & productivity forever.

It’s not me making barbed comments about other people’s employers!

1) EK
2) LHS
3) 777
4) Lots
5) Approx 20 per month
6) 10+
7) 900 plus bunk time
8) £150,000 net (salary flight pay and housing)
9) Pension £15000
10) Tax free so £165000 including pension

What about the big US carriers? That would be very interesting to hear.

Just to give you guys a perspective of what happens in another part of the world.

1) Employer - GOL Linhas Aereas (Brazil)
2) FO
3) B737NG
4) 3 years of service
5) Usually between 10-13 days off a month.
6) Usually around 5-8 overnights a month.
7) 708h in 2017
8) Gross Income 2017: 160k BRL (around €40k)
9) Around €300-400 on per diem per month. Per diems are not taxed in Brazil.
Last year airline paid 0,5 salaries on profit share bonus. This year they're paying 0,65.
MyID travel available with tons of airlines.
10) 180k BRL (around 45k Euro)

Actually it's a little bit more, with stand by duty, hours in excess, etc. I forgot to consider that. On average, 2300 net.

Airlines which don't ask you to pay type rating... There aren't a lot.

1) Alaska Airlines/ Virgin America
2) FO
3) A320
4) 2 yrs with the company
5) ~160 Days worked
6) ~ 110 overnights
7) 750 hrs
8) $76K USD
9) $15k USD (Profit sharing +Retirement)
10) $91K USD for 2017

1) Swiss
2) F/O
3) 777
4) 6 years
5) 130-160 maybe
6) 8-10 / month
7) looks like 600-700 p.a.
8) 105,000 CHF / year
9) 1000-1200 CHF per diem / month plus bonus and xmas money if we're lucky
10) ca. 120,000 CHF all in depending on bonus and per diems

1) Airline employer: USA ULCC
2) Seat : Left
3) Aircraft type; A320
4) Years of Service with company: 5
5) How many days you worked: 15/month
6) How many overnights you had 11/month
7) How many hours you blocked 750/yr
8) Gross income: $195.000
9) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.) retirement $20.000. Per diem $6.000 both untaxed
10) Total gross income. +/- $220.000

All based on flying guarantee (basic schedule), I can normally drop half my schedule or pickup another 30-50 hours of credit (depending on reserve availability) @$210/hr if I want to.

Southwest
365k
36k retirement

1) Airline employer: private owner
2) Seat : FO
3) Aircraft type; Challenger
4) Years of Service with company: 1
5) How many days you worked: 180 days
6) How many overnights you had: 180
7) How many hours you blocked : 350hrs
8) Gross income: $60000
9) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.) : 8000
10) Total gross income : 68000$

1) Air Macau
2) LHS
3) A320
4) 4 Years of service
5) 240
6) 4-6/month
7) 900
8) US$90k/year basic
9) 13th salary (by contract), 14th salary (discretionary), sector pay, duty pay, per diem, overtime, triple time on public holidays, housing allowance, laundry allowance, transport allowance, performance incentive.
10) US$200k before tax. Low tax regime gives US$190k after tax. Plus provident fund of 12.5% of basic salary on top, only payable in cash after every 4 years of service.

Hello all,
First post on here hope your all well ! Fly safe !

1) Eastern Airways UK
2) Right Hand Seat
3) Jetstream 41
4) 2 Years
5) Only Get 7 Days Off PM As A Treat Sometimes 8, Max Duty Hours, 4/6 Some Times 7 Sectors Per Day
6) 15+ Night Stops Per Month Very Rarely At Home Base With Lots Of Days Off Out Station With Only Duty Pay For Your Troubles
7) 60/70hrs Per Month Average
8) Basic Salary £21,495 No Service Pay For FO's You Get Pay for TT and Hours On Type, Joined Company Min Hours So My Salary Is Just Under £23k
9) No Sector Pay, £1.30 Per Hour Duty Pay Roughly £3.5K Per Year 100% Taxed. Total Gross £26K Per Year Net £20,840 That's £1734.26 Net Per Month
10) Pension is 1% from Company 1% Employee, Day Off Payments Very Rare FO £200

1) Loganair
2) RHS
3) SF340
4) 1.5 years
5) Unsure total, off 9 days a month exc. leave.
6) Base dependant, some nil, about 4 or 5 per month for me.
7) 550-600 in a year.
8) £30K
9) £9 per report. £3 per sector. £23 per UK nightstop. Day Off pay £300. 20% pension (8% from me).
10) Averaging monthly gross £3100, net £2500. Rich in the flying I do.

And what's Eastern like these days??

Great fun, good colleagues superb flying, terms and conditions accurately depicted above however. Money wise it's a hobby, if you can afford it.

Eastern
 

dont forget

11) £50 disruption payment if; its a tuesday, its raining, been an alien invasion, >4 hours delay thats not down to tech, weather, airport closing, global flood but will be paid if this time its a consequence of aforementioned alien invasion, if its not a tuesday. Please note that all disruption payments will be declined in the event you qualify for a disruption payment.

By god, Eastern is shocking! My daughter makes more stacking shelves in London.

As said above the crew make this company, the people who we work with are amazing couldn’t get through the day without them! Flying is amazing solid building block to move on to pastures new one day! After my 5 year bond, that is their ploy to hold on to crew, We have lots of crew departing to Jet2. As for rostering / crewing / management absolutely appalling I have nothing to compare with but the way I’m spoken to if I try to voice my opinion on changes to my roster etc which happen daily, and if you do moan next comes the punishment roster lol I’ve never had a roster yet that’s has stayed as published. On average I would say 95% of my roster changes. But I’m greatful for the Job !

That is VLG for in a year :eek::eek:

Apparently so, I thought it was per month! ;-)

Large private jet.
All in all €160.000 gross per year + about €10K tip or so.
Roughly 200-210 days on duty minus perhaps 15-20 maintenance days per year where I can go home.
Max 400 hours.

CP

eastern, vlg, enter air, small planet earning
 

I really don,t understand that any pilot accepts these lousy salaries, pay for type rating and even pay for line training.
Please, please stop it! Don,t even go on assessment. Get those scam airlines on their knees.
If they can not or don,t want to pay decent salaries, then they will be due to lack of pilots forced to pay a market conform salary or simply have to stop their operations.

So easy for any one us us to preach when we’re already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000’s when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you don’t take the job, someone else will whilst you’re sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&c’s/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......

Early 2000s were not that bad, if you talk about the really early years. Got my first job in autumn 2000 after a six month job hunt right out of flight school. Could choose between two jobs, one with a Fokker 50 Typerating which i had to pay for, however, after 5 years in the company i would have gotten the money back including interest. And the second job was on a 737, type rating fully paid for by the company including accommodation, business travel to the training facility and back, hotel for the first four weeks at the base to give me time to house hunt, some small training pay and full per diems. And that was not the best job out there by far, Lufthansa hired several hundred ready entries that year, as did their regional Cityline and of course others like Hapag Lloyd (nowadays known as TUI-Fly). It went on into the next year and even continued for a few weeks after 9/11, but then came to a very hard stop.

Needless to say, i never paid for a type rating, always got paid for a job and don't think anybody should do that, but i know it is the accepted norm for many new-hires today. Which is why i do applaud ryanairs move to bond the cadet instead of let them pay, which i hope will put pressure on their competitors to do the same.

I started a little earlier than that, but not much. Yes, there were good and bad years for recruitment, there was hardly anything in the mid 90's, , then late 90's it got lively and then died again in around 2001. Hey ho, that's capitalism red in tooth and claw. But the big difference was that the jobs, even with the bottom feeding turbo prop operators, came with a paid for type rating and a bond. The bond reduced with your service, or if you left early, you paid it off. I got paid pretty much the same in 97 as an Eastern FO does now, without the debt mountain round my neck. I think there are going to be a lot of very unhappy burnt out, debt laden pilots in the future, juggling training, mortgage and God forbid, divorce costs from a large headline salary, which leaves them with very little left to have fun with.

Is it true that you guys at Eastern are now having to work more and more weekends ? Probably one of it's best selling points (other than the great crews) was the fact it was largely Mon-Fri flying, except at Aberdeen with it's Sunday flights, and a few charters.

Weekend schedules are here at my base, yes. I signed a contract agreeing to hours as required by the company. If i get to not liking that, I know my choices. It suits me, I enjoy the flying, have no interest in being a button pusher for hours on end with no landing and approach currency.

As I said, it's a hobby from a base (sometimes a gateway near you). But you have to be able to afford a job like this.

In spite of the above post re disruption payments, I can only speak of my own experience, and I've not had one denied. I know some who have though, but the rules are in black and white in the manuals.

It's ok here, management are approachable, never bother me, but I keep my nose clean and get on with my job, and for that I feel appreciated. As I say, that's my experience and I'm not exactly new here.

1) VLG
2) Rhs
3) A320
4) 8 months
5) 12 days off minimum
6) 25 in total more or less, and I've ask for that
7) 547
8) 23. 884€ net (yes, I went through every single paycheck)

AA
CA
A320
27 years
15-20 days a month
a lot
85-90 hours a month
315 000 usd
35000 401k (pension) contribution

The pay has come back at the U.S. legacies after years of stagnation due to first deregulation then the aftermath of 911. Other than that we are still basically under a bankruptcy contract. Delta and United are doing better. Factor in their profit sharing and narrow body captain pay goes north of 400 000 if you work hard..