You have come to this thread to make accusations that CTC shafted your friend. I still await this proof?
If he was shafted, wouldn't it be easier to get a solicitor, he surely can't lose!

The more people that think they "get shafted" by CTC the better, we need less people funding that aviation disease.

CTC is just a glorified flying school nothing more. Says it all when airlines such as Flybe now refuse to use CTC for their recruitment. :D

Really? How did you find this out? You can PM if you don’t want to post publicly.

Ah, refuse is probably too strong a word... more like stopped using CTC's recruitment services due to some aviation gods not meeting the standard.

Their stint with CTC was really short lived....

OP, if your friend has deep pockets there are still type rating schemes in Turkey with Sun Express via Stella in Holland, but from what I hear its hit and miss if you get hired. Having said that, SXS seem to like ex-pats and it may be worth a shot, although he would need to pass the DLR or equivalent and stump up the 30K Euro for the type rating. Don't have any contacts there but we have many cloggies that were there here and talk highly of the work environment. This is SXS Turkey, not SXD we are talking about.

Chris,
Another idea... Becoming cabin crew for easyJet you can apply for an FO position internally. I know 2 people that have. Not sure if the rating is paid for in cash that way or if it's a bond though.

It's not particularly those from CTC that I would criticise, it is all of those who think that a big wad of money and several months at a flying school is a 'short circuit' into a big shiny jet job. It appears very much in this case that CTC has done their job and that is to spit the cadet out at the end of the course with a licence. From there on it is the big wide world that you have to deal with and it's no good trying to hang onto CTC's coat tails. CTC can say that they'll try to get you a job, but the real person who gets you a job is you. And don't aim too high. You would learn a huge amount more that would be of immense value for your future career if your first job was on a piston twin. Not 'glamorous', but if it is 'glamour' that you're after then spend a bit more time being 'glamorous' in the dole queue. Become a flying instructor. Do something to show that you really have an interest in flying. With a brand-new licence you are still very much in the learning stages of your career and those 'un-glamorous' jobs will teach you a huge amount. Stop saying that you've been 'shafted', get out there and take charge yourself. And aim sensibly, or else enjoy that dole queue. Anyone who slags off turbo-prop pilots is not a real pilot and doesn't deserve to be treated as such (just for clarification, I am not a turbo-prop pilot!). I did once know one turbo-prop airline that wouldn't recruit newly qualified cadets as they couldn't cope with the actual work. Makes me wonder if I actually want to fly as pax in an airline that is employing over-opinionated cadets!

I have a close relative who went to FTE. Self sponsored. Crashed and burned (metaphorically!) in his first PTs. Ended up being recoursed. Knuckled down, grew up, realised the work involved and smashed his exams second time around. Took to the actual flying like a duck to water. Got a job offer within a month of graduating. Two years later, 1500 hours on 737. Latest sim check captain (known to be a tough cookie) said he could see command potential in him. Lad is still in his very early 20s.
Ironically, in his group of mates at FTE, there was another pupil, late 20s, degree in aeronautical engineering. First time exam passes. Graduated at the same time. Still looking for that first break two years later.

Luck or what?

This :)

Coming from the above mentioned school (Here comes the tearing to pieces), I would have jumped at the chance to fly a turboprop. Altough in my case I got a job in a jet, it absolutely wouldnt have mattered to me. And I still cannot seem to understand why some of the cadets from this same school despise turboprop flying. As long as you can make a normal living a job is a job if you ask me...

Oh and currently CTC is barely ''placing'' anyone anywhere. Easyjet is running at full capacity and people who finish now will have to wait a loooong time to get an interview, or start the TR...
I suppose CTC isn't amused about this since they pay Easyjet money so they take their cadets...

Edit: I believe KURA Aviation also got ties with Airlines like FlyBe etc. it's basically an MCC/JOC and after that they usually put you forward to an Airline pretty quick, that's what I've heard about them atleast. Maybe try looking there too?

Another good suggestion, thanks very much I'll pass this on.

ChrisE,
Whilst your concern for your friend is admirable. I feel it is he/she that should be asking the questions and not you. You make your own luck in this world. Stop spoon feeding him/her. Getting into commercial aviation is not easy (for most). I know, I had my own set-backs, however, it made me more determined than ever to succeed. I wish him/her the best of luck.

Watched the video for less than a minute as I couldn't stand to hear anymore "vis", "vat", "vere", "ve".

Does the recruitment process started in Loganair?

hargreaves99

"It may be the guy not the experience" could be equally valid here. That 5,000 hours turboprop captain should probably concentrate on putting the idea across that he will not be a '5,000 hour captain' (and hence a pain in the arse to the real captain sitting to the left of him) when sitting in the right seat of that jet job.

About the 200 hour kids going straight into those jet jobs, this is probably a double-pronged 'problem':
They will be cheap and they will be happy to stay cheap for quite a few years to come (as long as they can swan about in their uniforms and put 'Airline Pilot' on Farcebook, they will tolerate low pay for a lot longer than the more mature 5,000 hour ex-turboprop captain);
Many of those airlines that take these 200 hour kids are run by managers who themselves started as 200 hour kids.

The second 'problem' that I mentioned is not only a British problem as the Dutch, French and Germans have airlines that are equally as 'guilty'. Outside Europe, in North America and the Antipodes for example, there is a healthy GA sector and pilots grow up as 'real pilots' there before getting that airline job. I am sure that if a certain Major European Airline that has routes across the South Atlantic had its flights manned by that type of 'real pilot' then there would not be very lengthy Threads on here and other Forums (Fora?) about a certain incident there.

I also started watching that video and jumped forwards in big chunks to see if it improved. It didn't. I don't think that there is any risk that I'll ever fly with him but what does really worry me is that I might have him (and his likes) take me somewhere when I am SLF.

10:00

Edit: Don't mind me, I was thinking of the DA42. No idea about the DA20.

Find one on the ground and push down on the tail, as if you were manoeuvring it in a small space. The cockpit is pointing at the sky long before the tail near the ground. It would be a very brusque flare to achieve that and at a very low speed to stop it climbing.

The cringe....

I honestly don't mind people sharing their experiences and posting the occasional selfie on Instagram. But this? Come on, the ''arrogance'' at the end... I don't believe he is even aware of what he is saying is coming across to other people. The guy just did ''circuits 1'', so he has around 8-9 hours of actual flying time, but already comes across like a ''know it all''... (Can you imagine, he already is there for 5 weeks, what a pace for something that is advertised as ''fast-track'')

My gripe is with a selection based upon how much money you throw, average aptitude (based on your cohort), and an average interview... all of them eminently passable by a mediocre candidate.

Money then is the distinguisher.

And that should always be borne in mind.

There's a Dutch RYR F/O who posts similar stuff to this - cringeworthy, narcissistic waste of broadband, all of it. I see this L3 guy is endorsed by the school on the video but don't they moderate or edit before posting? There are numerous inaccuracies that surely L3 wouldn't want exposed in their name? Bending over for the training provider early on might afford him some favourable treatment short-term but alienate him from his classmates and will likely follow him through at least the early years of his career. Besides, I thought the Head of Sales & Marketing had recently departed Nursling?

There was an interesting introduction moment where I thought the flow of the flying exercises was excellent. He said that Climbing & Descending 1 was not a problem so Climbing & Descending 2 was combined; and then he moved onto Stalling. That could also have been combined with Climbing & Descending 3 to save time. :bored:

I don’t think you can swear on here without being censored... But my god this chap needs putting down!

Perfick landins after lesson namba one! Hopefully the recruiters will have these videos on their radars... And black list him!

Cirrussy

Well said!

Airlines (as do many businesses) have some rather fussy 'social media' policies. This guy might find that he has blotted his copy book for future jobs.

I do not believe that CTC could be sanctioning this.

If he was my student I would have already have put in for a student/instructor change.

The most worrying thing is: Why is he not out socialising with his course mates instead of wasting his time like that? Maybe the answer to that tells you enough. And maybe that has told the future recruiters enough too.

Coming to a right seat near you.:ok:

No idea what the angle would be but it is definitely possible to "brush" the runway during a fully held off landing in certain light aircraft. The DA20 and Robin DR400 both have tail skids to protect them against it.

Look, I sympathise with your friend's situation and of course, we should all help one another where we are able, but I just think it is odd that he didn't post on PPruNE himself.

And of course TCX et al

Is that true, that TCX no longer take sausages from CTC?

Well it would certainly explain the recent IAGO cadet scheme TCX ran. There were a few modular guys from the Wings Alliance that made it into TCX. Would be interesting if someone can confirm that TCX doesn’t take from CTC/L3 anymore?

According to CTC/L3s latest FB post, easyJet’s head of training said that he knows he “will get some real top quality cadet pilots coming through” from the school. I’m sure he put emphasis on the word some....

Not sure my sarcasm came across, I wasn’t referring to amount, rather the quality.

Why would anyone put a huge amount of money into an all-out run to get a pilots' licence when you have absolutely no clues what the state of the airline industry will be 18 months or so ahead? So many single incidents (and in the past we've had the invasion of Kuwait and '9/11') can end up effectively pouring all that money down the drain. Doing a bit-by-bit modular route to a licence gives you the opportunity to put things immediately on hold and fit in with the current state of the industry as you go through your training. If I was recruiting I would see those pilots as showing more common sense.

I worked for CAE on and off for some years on different types and have a fair idea of the quality that comes out of there.
CTC is a unknown entity to me, but promises made by any school is of course useless.

Cae is getting 7 new simulators for RYR use mainly , and RYR is to hire 1000 pilots this year.
This according to the press release from RYR today.

Just remember: Paying for Your own type-rating undermines the industry!
There is no need anymore!

Yeah I can confirm TCX aren't using CTC anymore. Recruitment done through IAGO, with cadets going onto a real crummy contract for 7 years in return for a free TR.

That crummy contract is limited to 2 years, not 7.

Incorrect - the IAGO cadets go onto a 7/5 contract for the first two years, granted - but they receive a subsidised salary for 7 years in return for an Airbus rating. A year 7 IAGO cadet salary is still around £500-£1000 per year less than a year 2 self sponsored 'cadet'.

Interesting, I'd heard it was the cadet scale until 7 years then a bridge across to SFO 5 year salary. My salary on the other post was calculated post pay review based on the new basic salaries which are yet to be updated in the PPP. Still a couple of hundred from unfreezing, which isn't looking likely to happen quickly with the current roster/training requirements.