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Stone Cold II 16th Oct 2019 15:08


Originally Posted by Denti (Post 10595779)
manual flight and especially manual thrust flight is actively discouraged on the line (not by training but rather by base management or base safety officers).

Which base would that be? Never experienced it at my base or any other base I’ve been to. Manual flying is encouraged in the ops manual, it only states to practice when the situation is ideal, workload etc.

TheAirMission 16th Oct 2019 15:36


Originally Posted by Denti (Post 10595779)
handling skills as manual flight and especially manual thrust flight is actively discouraged on the line (not by training but rather by base management or base safety officers).

Absolute crap.

dirk85 16th Oct 2019 17:02


Originally Posted by Denti (Post 10595779)
Saw someone complete the whole process within 15 months getting his command during spring this year. So yes, that can be possible, you have to be extremely pushy and learn a lot, after all there is not much training history to back anything up so you will be quizzed harder. And the required knowledge is already extremely high, not necessarily the handling skills as manual flight and especially manual thrust flight is actively discouraged on the line (not by training but rather by base management or base safety officers). However with the current slowdown expect three to four years to command, there are already several hundred in the pipeline waiting for their spot.

Never heard anybody in 15 months, that must be a record. By doing exactly everything at the earliest possible iaw the OM D i have seen 22/24 months, no less.

Never was I discouraged to handfly on the line.

giggitygiggity 16th Oct 2019 23:02


Originally Posted by dirk85 (Post 10595880)


Never heard anybody in 15 months, that must be a record. By doing exactly everything at the earliest possible iaw the OM D i have seen 22/24 months, no less.

Never was I discouraged to handfly on the line.

Agreed, that's simply rubbish. Ok, there might be a time and a place for it and you should always take account of the PMs workload, but today, both approaches flown by the FO were completely manual. When I was an FO I was never discouraged, just told to brief it. Nothing wrong with that!

Perhaps your friend (Denti) isn't very good at it and is being discouraged for other reasons.


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