Norwegian Long Haul Roster
 

Few questions about NLH:

What kind of roster can a FO expect?

Is there a "better schedule" depending on the base? (LGW vs BCN)

How hard is to change bases?

How hard is to upgrade in the 737? (move to Short Haul)

And to move to RCA and CA in the 787?

Is true that they give you days off out of your operating base?

Thanks in advance!

Also interested in this. Formal standby days per month, average layovers down route, changes to contract after the initial 3 years.

Interested in the long haul gig.

Seems to be a well kept secret. Which is somewhat alarming.

I spoke to a chap in the company a while back, pretty honest. Told me expect to deadhead a lot as part of the job.

Not sure that would be too fun mindful of the lack of a business class on their operation. Especially if deadhead comes at the end of an extended duty.

Not part of the operation so happy to keep an open mind, as the above was purely "chat" at an event. However, I suspect many wont apply unless we know what is being signed up to.

There's no secret. Just ask Rishworth. They can provide some example rosters.

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You're spot on there. Positioning in Economy was one of the listed grievances that caused TCook to go on strike last year. You need a good working practice agreement to deal with all these issues or you rapidly have no life at all.

Can anyone share a typical roster?

Does it depend on base?

To answer any questions and provide information on the long haul roster may reflect negatively on the Dreamyliner lifestyle. Norwegian’s lynch mob/red nose numpties would never allow that (see what follows this post).

Roster information has been requested and flatly ignored many times previously. This suggests the roster is exceptionally bad. Moreover, it suggests little is being done or can be done to improve it.

Despite the purported welcome extended to unions, Norwegian’s 787 pilot fraternity have no union representation directly with the airline. This precludes any collective agreement with Norwegian and its pilots (including “guaranteed” seniority) with which the airline must legally comply.

The irony is that Norwegian’s 787 pilots fly with US based cabin crews who are members of the AFL-CIO union, with direct and powerful representation to the airline. Norwegian’s “welcome” to that particular outcome was reported in the media:

“Norwegian tried to stop cabin crew connection to powerful trade unions” – Link:

https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/uhy...mming/67506473

Norwegian and the service providers from which they temporarily rent 787 pilots, all proclaim to “answer any questions you may have”. Clearly, they do not.

I did the above , received no reply, despite using my Rishworth login account .

Direct Bondi provide factual info . His input is useful. Dont shoot the messenger.

Most pilots in NLH consider their options and then sign up anyway . Even if they have to deposit €40000 of their own cash into an unknown bank account .

Its a choice you make to escape the humdrum funkery of working overseas or being a bored & retired , former legacy long haul jockey .

Bondi what is your problem? You are assuming stuff and at the same time demand to have your voice heard and respected. How cute. Why would anybody be so stupid to publicly share his or her roster on a forum like this? Ever heard of anonymity?

10 days guaranteed off (4 or 5 days in a row possible. Also back to back possible), 3-4 flights each month with each flight having usually a minimum one or max three day layover, expect 750h/year.
Just do the math.

It's possible to bid for the 737 after your bonding has finished after three years. Being three years in the company, it will not be hard to switch fleets. There has also been cases of people switching fleets within the bonding, but it's not common practice.

The upgrade is available when you have the required hours for it.

See attachments for the example rosters.
Maybe they stopped providing example rosters, because this prevented a lot of people from applying? It might be ok if you're single and if you don't mind being away from home, but spending 10-14 days in a row away from your family doesn't seem appealing.

Thanks for that. You’re right, if you wanna have a family life it doesn’t look ideal.

Very GOOD rosters indeed if you live close to base.
Typical LH. and with sufficient rest between flights.

One roster is from AUG 2017, the others from 2016 and probably not representative of what's happening now or? The one from 2017 doesn't look that bad actually and it's still a 84 hours roster.

£7600/ month for skippers ( full tax for uk resident) would be a pay cut for 90% of guys who meet the lhs requirments. Even THY pay more haha.

21 - 22 days away as I understood it, has been normal ops. Was 3 years ago when I went through the process. The increase of bases and aircraft may have a positive change on time away.

Most retirees, single and or divorced pilots are married to flying and time away is generally a bonus .

Beer belly alert !

So let me get this straight. You failed your assessment and now you are back to take vengeance? :}
Those figures are wide off btw. ;)

TVM for publishing the rosters; it actually is far better than I expected with later departures from LGW and reasonable time off in HOTAC to recover between trips. Nowhere near as much DHD as I expect. Stby could work at a weekend, short breaks with family down to home counties with the chance of a callout and trains back for them.

Understanding is, if you have a bank promissory note or similar, no cash needs to be transferred (got that from the horses mouth, for example having the cash in an offset mortgage account would be fine).


In terms of pay, its not the best, but then again, its more than what I am on now, flying a heavy category jet for the past decade. Prospects of rapid LHS from relief captain salary (which is better than what I am on now).

Only downer they need to look at is the abated per diem/subsistence allowance. Don't understand why this is necessary, other than penny pinching.

Any word on permanent contract T+C post Rishworth, opportunities/timeframe to Type IRE/Training Dept? Any opportunities for the likes of fuel saving/FDM analyst when down route to fill the time?

Nice try. Sorry to disappoint you, but it wasn't for me . But hey, shoot the messenger, right?

What part is not correct? This is the reality, not a criticism!

Basic Pay GBP `7600
Allowances Capped at GBP 900
Little or No Overtime , no matter how long your duty times of FDP's?
Leave will allocated by your employer
Positioning in economy
Best Western level of hotel

And wtf, the poster above wants to do FDA during their down route rest period. Thats duty. You are on rest . Any incident on the way home and the book will be thrown at you. Wise up.

Sorry, my understanding of FTL is a set min rest period prior to crew in, not 48 hours. Or during Deadhead. Wise up.

Jeez, some of the community are right princesses. Ive not seen a single hotel less than 4 star on that schedule and all relatively convenient to get in. Hardly a Hanoi Hilton. Good to see transit time to the airport accounted for. Currently working as widebody command for 5500GBP Gross a month with fully receipted subsidence and a cap of circa $50 USD down route. What's an overtime payment?

Who the hell do you work for earning so little as a wide body captain?