You tell me what salary you need to gross, in order to net 10-11k a month. Then tell me where it is on the BA pay scale. It's pretty high up on the one that I'm looking at. If you prefer, you can give me a years of service estimate instead. 'Senior' is a subjective term, after all.

In my circumstance (married without kids), it's north of £200k. Please point out where you believe I was 'fibbing'.

The salary on a normal month of flying a is about £10500 including duty pay and HKPA, but excluding allowances and 13th month/12 if you get it.

I typically got about £600-700 in allowances, and pro-rata 13th month is 750. So, if you expect 13th month, add 1400 to that figure above. Call it £12,000 to make the maths easy. Tax depends on your circumstance, but I paid about 11% this year.

I'll leave it to you to decide if it's enough. I'm providing facts and nothing else.

£12,000 per month? (If you're lucky) Is that really all they pay you to live in one of the most expensive and polluted cities on the planet, and/or work for that unhappy outfit? A quick read of 'fragrant harbour' suggests it may need to be more.

You're a foreigner in a foreign land. The fag end of colonialism. Reading in other places, it doesn't sound comfortable, or sustainable?

Of course in any case, a new joiner is highly unlikely to ever see those numbers before the company goes down the tubes. As is suggested elsewhere on pprune.

As a point of information, a significant number of UK pilots are non UK taxpayers! Your figures do not compare favourably with them. Others, like me, PREFER, for family reasons, to be UK taxpayers. No pockets in shrouds etc.

Once again, your ADHD is causing you to derail the thread. I'm answering questions.

Those figures are what new joiners will receive. No luck to it.

Oh commuting? That must be exclusive to Nigels, I take it. Nobody does that here.

I have the right to live in he U.K., the US, NZ and HK. Amazingly, I choose to live here. Some people quite like it. Not everyone sees bread and dripping in the cold as the ultimate lifestyle choice, either.

Quite sustainable and comfortable, thanks. Enjoy the winter.

The salary for an level 1 FO is HKD$81,292 per month.

Anything above and beyond that is not contractual and is subject to "policy" change.

McNugget, stop getting so angry... I'm asking questions, you are just confusing the figures.

Senior BA Capt - I assumed you meant someone on PP24.

Are your figures on both sides BA/Cathay including things like DOA, FHR, allowances and in CX case housing + schooling? i.e the full package.

Never mind what you earn, that's irrelevant (although I'm glad you're happy) unless you are a PP1 Cathay FO .

My fib comment is that you imply that a new entrant PP1 CX FO earns the same as a PP24 BA Capt. If that is the case I'll be happy to take my comment back and offer many humble apologises.

For anyone else in CX - what's the deal with DEFO's?... and a previous question - Are not the SO's a little upset?

Edit... Thanks Eyes only.. are posts crossed

No anger over here, Sir. Apologies if that's the way I came across.

Wires obviously crossed, which is why I suggested a longevity-based answer. My point is that a PP1 DEFO will net a similar figure to a 'senior' BA captain. That is, after tax, NI, and all the rest, £10.5-11k.

What I make isn't particularly relevant. But I'm only a couple of pay points down the track, therefore quite familiar with what I speak.

I'm not sure what DOA/FHR are. I'm sure there's a CX equivalent, but to answer your question - that figure is the cash figure you'll be paid, and can do with as you wish. It doesn't include schooling, and there is no housing. Don't know much about the schooling, other than it's 75% or 90% of the fee, depending on the type of school. No clue on the dollar figure, sorry.

Regarding SOs - it's put some noses out of joint, and I feel for them. But, it's happened before and it'll happen again. While I would have been unimpressed if it had affected my FO upgrade, I was cognisant that it was a possibility before I signed on the line. The contract has provisions for it. A bit like joining Emirates, and getting upset at DECs.

No, the base salary plus HDP is contractual. Much like at BA, there is significant chunk of change above the basic pay point.

It's not that hard. Basic salary for year 1 F/O is $81,292. Annual increment is c.$2,000 per month. Plus Hourly Duty Pay (up to 10% if you work a full 84 hr month (unlikely on 747)). Plus 15.5% by way of pension. Plus $14,000 'housing allowance' (paid as cash). Plus some school fees. Plus cash allowances in outports. Plus overtime if above 84 hrs in a month. Plus 13th month salary in december...probably. Hong Kong dollar is pegged to US dollar at 7.8. Income tax is max 15%.

Suitably qualified S/Os had the opportunity to apply for the F/O positions. Some did.

Hong Kong is really expensive. Schools can be hard to get into, depending on age.

McNugget any relation to the famous SO with a similar name ?

Whilst HDP is contractual, you cannot bank on it. You have little control over how many hours you will get each month, and since they are hiring onto on the Freighter and A330 you will not be doing 84 hours a months, less. Much less especially at the start. Most Airbus and Freighter pilots never see overtime.

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There is no "pension", and due to changes in legislation that money is locked up for a long time even if you resign.

HKPA/Education etc are all subject to "policy" changes. Allowances at outports are rumored to be taken away shortly, they are not contractual. 13th month (there are 52/4=13 4 week blocks i.e. "months" per year). The company may pay you for 48 weeks or 52 weeks depending on how they feel.

Go back 20, 15, 10 year ago to see how much they have cut to see the direction things have moved.

Look at the high inflation rate, CX wages in real terms have gone backwards 10-20% in the last 5 years. Try getting kids into school, some are demanding 4 million dollar debentures to get your kid in. Have fun getting a slot if you did not put their name down the day after they were born.

Cx is giving financial results tomorrow, that will give a clear snapshot of the situation.

No, they aren't. They're announcing some form of strategic plan. But that's today.

I'm not Canadian, but can I help as a Brit?

you sure can !

Final interview ! DEFO
 

Hello everyone,
If one has cleared Day 1 ( Sim, technical exam, group assessment ), how much time one has to wait for the final result after Day 2 ( interview, medical, English exam ) ?? Thank you in advance.

Hi,
I did the day 1 last week on thursday.
positive reply by mail at 15:20 local thursday (they said to wait until 18:00)
day 2 passed friday.
positive reply yesterday....so after 4 working days....
cheers
:ok:

no news since I sent the required paperwork few months ago.
do they at least tell you when they don't rate you as suitable for interview ?