Arline Employment Rumour
 

How true is it that employment is picking up in the UK? I see BA are advertising are there any others employing?

Thanks brown_eyes

Easy have a full page ad in Flight this week, including DEC's for Gatwick :eek:

Things must indeed be warming up, does not seem to stop my employer
continuing to treat us like endentured slaves though... :\

At least they look after your teeth, Leg (sorreee)

Word on the street, rumour of course, is a BA TRI went through the selection incognito and failed early on, reported to WW, now HR getting their arse kicked after cancelling flights due to lack of crew.

Again rumour, but Easy short of skippers, Flybe short, Monarch asking for right to return pilots to return. Good times for UK pilots...

running short of pilots ?
you hit a tree, thousands of them fall. :rolleyes:

You'll find monkeys and birds in trees!

Is there any difference :E

Probably not :hmm:

Monkeys and birds are fine. It's the snakes that you have to be on guard for.

Really? All I hear is max duties, temporary contracts, self employment, paying for ratings and eroding terms and conditions in general. Not sure how that is "good times".

CP

still crap in corporate

Not very good if you are over 50, no matter how much experience you have. I have 20 years and 10,000hrs, mostly on heavies and not a glimmer of interest from anyone.

I'm giving it six more months to find a UK based job and then I'm packing it in. Most industries outside of the aviation bubble value a bit of experience in life. Not so with the airlines, all they want is wannabees young and dumb enough to accept handing over the mortgage on their parent's house, no-one else need apply.

I'm beginning to think they are welcome to it.:ugh:

Arline Employment Rumour
 

I don't agree!
I am over 60 and found a job ok!
390

cleaning them doesnt count

There are certainly jobs but as Captain Prop pointed out, it's hardly good times. Many of the conditions of service are outrageously poor- paying for ratings, even paying for line training which is absolutely wrong from every angle. Unfortunately there's no shortage of lemmings ready to hand over their cheques.

390 cruise

One swallow a summer does not make. If you're a current experienced Captain on a useable type, perhaps a trainer, then I could foresee hope.

However, If you're one of the industry's dirty secrets who's suffered at the hands of redundancy despite extensive experience, which I believe Zedbb has (forgive me Zeddb. I gathered this from your previous post on the freight forum and am sure you don't need me to talk for you and I maybe making assumptions given I don't know you) then you'll find the aviation "industry" despite all it's posturing, tail feather waving - as if it were a gift from God himself rather than just a job - is no more immune from the dumping of older people who don't provide a financial incentive than any other industry.

The sooner people get out of their arrogant, out dated idea that piloting/flying/this club/what ever you want to call it is any different from being just another blue collar worker at a financial coal face the better. It's not about if you have the zen quality to float on a carpet or are the best ninja. It's finance. This trick they pull to make you go through selections in this day and age is a facade. If they valued good people that much, they'd look at all good people. What they take is the young, financially willing and lifestyle impressionable.

That, Cliff is a perfect summing up of the situation in fact it is such a good description of the attitude of the airlines towards the lot of older pilots made redundant that I'm going to steal it off you.

I don't expect much sympathy from the wannabees who probably think anyone in their 50's should roll over and die but I do wish someone would tell those fortunate few who got into a stable airline at age 24 and were trainers two years later that not everyone is quite so lucky and that redundant at 50-something does not mean "failed".

It's bad enough being on the scrapheap without some pompous arse telling you that you deserve it.

I'm afraid it's not just aviation. You'll find a lot of industries edging the 50 somethings at the top of their pay scales closer to the door and replacing them with younger grads on lower wages, reduced pensions and in general barely legal terms and conditions. I don't think pilot's have a right to bitch about the state of their industry any more than any other professional.

MOLGenius is correct. Sometimes I feel it's only me that can see the bigger picture of today's world. :ugh:

Believe it or not, there a bigger and more responsible professions out there who have studied A LOT longer than any of us did to be pilots and I assure you even with 5 years experience they are earning <30k.

We work in a cyclical industry which is a bit like a game of 'Musical Chairs'. The name of the game is to be on the strongest chair when the music stops, and that is the hard bit. A few years ago people were rushing to Monarch, only to see it come to the brink of ruin and deposit loads of good people on the street. That said, I believe most are back in the saddle somewhere or other and I hope they are doing well. The shortage of captains at places like easyJet and Ryanair is related to the difficulties of getting the sheer numbers required through the various training systems. DECs can be a help with that as they often require a couple less sim sessions than would otherwise be the case. There is not an infinite supply of qualified and capable A320 and B737NG captains roaming around looking for jobs, so from that point of view it is a good time to be looking to return to the UK from the desert etc. The downside is that not all those jobs are in parts of Europe everyone wants to work. It should also be said that there has always been an infinite supply of keen, young and inexperienced pilots who will sell their souls to get that first job. Given that situation, it should hardly come as a surprise to anyone in that First Officer pay scales are diabolical. Supply and demand is a great thing when you are the one in demand but when you are not it is a very hard world out there.