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In the interests of keeping this on thread about EasyJet, PM sent.

Are EZY likely to run another experienced NTR recruitment process like they did in 2013? Anyone know?

You talk about CRM, culture, respect and decency and yet you refer to the DEC's joining easyJet as desperados. How does that reflect on you? They will be your colleagues; how about you treating them with respect and decency. I don't see your attitude as typical easyJet culture. Give respect and you will get it in return. Perhaps you feel the company are not giving you personally respect; have you thought it maybe because of your attitude?

To provide perspective. If you are based outside the shambles that is LGW easyjet is a good prospect. Good roster stability. Pay is OK. 5453 is workable.

Why easyjet thought they could enforce a "low cost model" at a "single" runway institutionally disfunctional airport like LGW is beyond reason. If you don't hold a local ID the dispatcher has to let you airside to do the walk around...WTF.

sim
 

Anyone going for the sim assessment at eazy?

dec assessment
 

Hi all,

Any info regarding Easy NTR DEC assessment stages highly appreciated!!

personal interview
sim
tech
video interview

You can PM as well.

Thanks in advance.

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Funded NTR conversion - Portugal
 

Interesting development for the Portuguese bases. Non type rated Captains being offered a funded conversion onto the Airbus. How do the new NTR candidates feel about forking out £20k for theirs? :{

I've flown with low hour guys and 5 year SFOs this week, and have treated both with the same respect, although anyone that's flown with me will know that I'm pretty laid back when its the RHS sector, as long as nothing stupid/dangerous is done (which is extremely rare)

I left EZY then returned back into the LHS 2 years later (after 7 years LHS with the company before that). Does that mean I was a desperado too?

Before that gets answered, I did what I was sure (and still am sure) was the right decision for me and my family at the time.

Treat with respect and get respect back is the way I see it.

Easy hasn't, however, gone down the p2f model as far as I can remember, unlike some airlines.

The 'ability to pay' issue is a case in most airlines, and blaming Easy for the issue probably isn't going to be the way forward.

There is also a virtual guarantee of a permenant contract at the end of the 2 year flexi contract, again unlike some airlines. Oh, and the chance of a quick (industry-wide) command, too.

Cae Oxford in cooperation with easyJet are charging there students 54.000 euro's for the a320 type rating when hired! I call that p2f!

If true, that is disgusting!

Although OAA are well known for being expensive anyway; I originally trained in what's now Serbia, the course costs last year were about €50k (less than £40k) for CPL, IR and MCC/JOC. How OAA can charge more than double for that is beyond me, but there we are.....

A lot of the trainees from there are now flying for Wizz, Air Malta, Turkish etc, so by no means a Mickey Mouse outfit.

Believe me its true I can proof it! It is 38.400 pounds that is depending on the exchange course about 54.000 euro's! So in my opinion p2f!

Paying for your type rating isn't quite the same as paying to fly the aircraft during line operations. Even when airlines still provided type ratings (In my case secured by a bank guaranteed bond) wannabees still bought their own ratings to try to enhance their recruitment prospects. So I'm sorry, but OAA asking you to pay for your type rating is not P2F. :*

I agree that paying for a type rating is not p2f. But if the price is that high that I could do the type rating at another trto almost 2 or 3 times. Then I call it p2f!

Easyjet, a FTSE100 company, do this?

Sorry but that, if true, is just disgusting.

Fundamentally, a FTSE100 company should not be charging people for their own training. It
S a sad fact that there will always be people who accept this.

What's wrong with a 3 year bond and a promissory note?

Disgusting behaviour easy jet, hang your heads in shame. £686 million profit and you still make pilots pay for their own training.

Toothless union, a majority of apathetic colleagues and a severe recession in 2008 is to blame for all this pay for rating nonsense. The only thing that will change it is market forces.

Actually Easyjet don't make or force anyone to pay for their training or type ratings. It's all completely optional. The blame lies squarely at the foot of the cadets and individuals who sign up for it. Ask yourself this: if nobody paid up, would these ****ty contracts and deals exist? The simple answer is no. But alas, people will still continue to throw money at them.

Deano, it's a chicken and egg situation though. If the cadets and experienced pilots stopped signing up to this, then the company will have no option but to stop recruiting like this. But they don't and they move enmasse towards it. There is no incentive for the company to stop this and to break the chain would be very difficult now.

A combination of these schemes and greedy training schools has lead to everybody wanting to get a job at the expense of everyone else. And seemingly the best way to do this is to pay to get ahead.

What I hate, and can't stand, is the morally repugnant notion that a company with so much profit and such strong year on year performance, who could afford to fund the training easily, are exploiting this stream of pilots in order to achieve labour costs as cheap as possible.

hobnob, completely agree with your top paragraph, it is chicken and egg in a way, but we are unfortunately at the mercy of the European Union as well because the aviation industry in Europe is still pretty much on it's knees so everyone is flooding to the UK for jobs (I'm not xenophobic by the way), this means there is a never ending supply of people willing to throw money at the industry, and if it was confined to the UK only then there might be a little hope that something will give, but we all know it'll never happen.
Easyjet are laughing their socks off, and yes their profits are partly the by-product of us throwing money at them, unfortunately they'll never change unless they have to, so the only way to force a change lies firmly at our feet.

Don't get me started about CTC.

In most professions these days individuals are investing in their own future; take university costs. It's not ony pilots who pay for their training so do doctors etc. Many people told the cadets not to pay for their training but they did and now 5 years on in their late twenties many of those pilots have their command and are being paid 100k+. Same with the type rating - if you want the job think ahead and work out if you think the outlay is worth the future remuneration. If you do get on the ladder as soon as you can. This is the way things are now. How many people earn 100k in their late twenties or have in the past; I think this is a good investment? Even BA, who used to prefer raw recruits are now giving preference to those with ratings. Times change and you have to move with the times; in the future it may change again but at the moment this is what we have. To blame easyJet or even aviation is futile.