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Just out of curiousity - which airline in Europe pays more than E60..65k basic to a year 1/2 FO with no experience? |
Some of lufthansas cadets went to Austrian, some on the bus but some to the turboprops. I bet they don't get Lufthansa pay!
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Gross or net ?
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lelt's talk about Germanwing and conditions if you are sick. Nobody talks about it.
I mean, is it "no fly - no pay" ? cause it may explains why pilots keep flying (to bring food on table). |
lelt's talk about Germanwing and conditions if you are sick. Nobody talks about it. That is general employment law in germany by the way. @de facto Gross or net ? |
As far as I know Germanwings Pilots have the same contract as Lufthansa Pilots.
So the Contract the guy was on was by far better than all the other Lowcost Airlines. Lufthansa Mainline is still by far the best Airline to work for in europe, and maybe even worldwide... I do know a few pilots who work there and they really have conditions other pilots in europe could only dream of... |
But were these conditions due to change(or up for discussion) or not for cadets passed off to lower cost operators. As I said before, some went to Austrian on the dash
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Yup, and don't have to pay for their flight training until they get a job on the mainline. Lufthansa always loaned out its cadets to other airlines (even direct competitors) if they didn't have enough demand to employ them directly. When the demand is there or their number is up they will return to Lufthansa. The waiting list is quite long at the moment and every cadet will have to wait quite a few years, better to fly elsewhere and get some experience (and some money of course too).
Others work in the cabin at lufthansa to wait out their time, same as AL did. |
Just out of curiousity - which airline in Europe pays more than E60..65k basic to a year 1/2 FO with no experience? Its not the best at Lufthansa and its not the worst, they get paid pretty good. Money was not the point, but the way they want to change Lufthansa for the future, definitely is something that worries quite a few of their pilots. |
Others do pay more in salary, but usually do not offer a comparable full package (transitional pay, fleet changes, pension fund etc). Additionally the entry pay is pretty low, the pay rises are not bad though. In year three it is €75k base, year 5 is close to €90k and year 8 is well over €100k. With overtime, which is between €85 and €190 per hour, it is not a bad salary.
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Apart from Lufthansa, is there any other (civil) airline in the world which pays for ab-initio flight training without cadets having to pay anything back before they get a job?
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Cathay Pacific
In fact, you don't pay any of it back ever. Problem is they don't pay you enough to live in Hong Kong, where you're based. So it would be a bit daft to take them up on the offer, unless you don't mind living in a tent. |
As far as i know both emirates and the unmentionable airline close by have flying schools free of charge. However, only for locals. Most chinese pilots do get trained on the government/airlines dime too.
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Seems like they're rather overpaid. :p
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Denti, how long should you wait for a Captain upgrade by Germanwings/Lufthansa?
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At the moment? At least 15 years. Quite possible that it will be even longer in the future as Lufthansa shrinks the mainline and germanwings in favor of outsourced labour under the Eurowings Brand.
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The backlash against foreign pilots explained to foreign pilots
Originally Posted by biminiflyer
Gilles hudicourt
looking to do a bit of foreigner bashing and finger pointing again? You only need to look at how he threw at tantrum at European pilots in Canada on a certain canadian pilot forum when really all it was about whas that the company he works for we're getting their ass kicked by the competition and he played politics to try and get them stopped. Your questions are irrelevant and insensitive at this time and I can see where your going with this regarding a certain airline that operates in Canada during the winter so you can some how use this tragic event for YOUR AGENDA. Low really low...but not surprising http://www.pprune.org/canada/559462-...gn-pilots.html |
Surely this is a " Canadian Management issue"? If Sun Wings has the capital and resources it can paddle it's own canoe, it would appear it does not? Don't blame the monkeys blame the organ grinder :)
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