Sascha,

Please don't think I don't know the situation.

I've been both a Captain and a Base Captain at Wizz Air.

Believe me, €1200 is NOT enough. How do you expect to repay your training debts to the bank?

Oh, hang on. Silly me. Mummy and Daddy do that for most kids in this salary.

Believe me, I've flown with FO's in Wizz (admittedly 5 years ago now), who could not keep their finances in order, after debt repayment. And they were earning €2500 a month then.

Can you see just how exploitative this all is?

I can.

I'm the Bus driver in London driver and I get paid more

Can I get the email for recruitment?:E

All kidding aside, do you guys in JAA/EASA land see the t and c's improving at all in the foreseeable future or have you yet hit rock bottom in terms of T&Cs?

NR, as I told you before, I agree with you, and since you were in wizz you know the situation, but all the parties are aware of this, and both use eachother.. And yes 1200 eur are not enought even to survive not mentioning to live!!
Bye

But Poland and Hungary are not the UK...

Cost of living much cheaper?

Besides slightly cheaper rent for living in so racist country, there is not much else that is much cheaper!

It's EU second tier!

And that's the reasons its "get your experience and move on" airline, even for the most experienced local TRI/TRE's and top management pilots (as we know from the experience) - quite sadly.

And this won't change until its sold or IPO.

Spare me the BS.
 

I don't understand what's so complicated. An employment contract is a voluntary agreement between the two parties. If you don't like what your contract says, or find it unacceptable, don't sign it by all means. I also don't know where all you people are based and on what contracts, because as a normal bondless FO here I rake in just about 3.3K euro per month after tax, social contributions and pension deductions on a local Polish contract.

Really guys, by all means, don't come. You might force them to improve the package. However, you and I both know that when push comes to shove and they offer you a job, you will take it. And after a year or two when the men in the LHS have taught you how to fly, you will bail either by respecting your contract or not. This is not a great place to work when it comes to money, roster and holidays. It really isn't, especially not for experienced people. But what is really worrying is the experienced people leaving, a lot of them. Locals and expats, CPT's and SFO's. But they're not spending their time moaning on PPRUNE about something they willingly signed up for when it was advantageous for them. They take action and evacuate because the company is failing to improve their standards of living over a long period of time. That, I understand. What I just don't understand is the hypocrisy on here. They offer you a contract, you accept it and sign it and then you end up whinging about it. Are you retarded?

So for the last time: just don't sign! It might force the company to improve the package for everybody. In the meantime for all the guys that will join (and they will join), a piece of advice: try to listen to your captains and trainers, you might learn something when you are not speaking. And for all the people considering these countries to be racist or second tier EU, feel free to crawl back where you came from because nobody will miss you. Over and out.

Racist, I have seen this personally. (Not within the company, but locally)

Second tier, because they want to be part of EU, but give working conditions that is ancient 19.th century style!

Management style that does not belong in the 21.st century!

Long term future is in my opinion they have to change, as even people from these countries will want and expect more!

Keep the people down with spy-games and inside reporting! Good for morale!

Just to get this pay figures correctly.

Base pay is 20.000 Euro a year before tax = 1666 a month.

Deduct 1000 Euro of this for 15 months, and you have base pay of 666 Euros a month.

Add sector pay, approx. 30 Euros a sector, which can be from 16 - 30 sectors as median averages.

If you are sick, or holiday, your base pay is 666 Euros a month, if you on a local contract. If you on tax evasion Swiss contract, you will be deduct sick days from your base salary. But happy days for your holidays, you will have 6 66 Euros a month for that. Good luck to survive on this!

A high-school teacher in Bulgaria gets about 350 E a month.... And survives!
Good luck to you!

Becoming an airline pilot is not about surviving... just saying :ugh:

@BusAirDriver

A doctor gets 600 EUR net in Hungary. And not survives but lives. Bear in mind that being a doctor is a real profession with 6 years of university study +3-5 years of practice until you get promoted to any kind of specialist and not a crash course about push-buttons and basic physics. Before you start with the "saving lifes in case of emergency" lecture, a doctor has all the same chances to kill people each day.

If your home country offers you great jobs with high wage as a pilot, please take it. Problem solved. If Wizz gives you a chance to be a pilot (as you don't get a job at home) and collect hours, please take it but do not moan. Maybe it's not too late to study either and be a doctor for a big stack of dosh. Your choice.

@ TBSC

you are right, the problem is that in Wizzair, there are a lot of expats, and with Wizzair salary it's not easy to manage a family in your home country with maybe a house to pay and all the rest, and at the same time live and commute int the country where you work, with no sick leave in case something happened and no retirement contributions, and in the meantime try to save some money for the future.

This is the big picture, but as I said earlier, when you join you know the deal, take to leave it. If wizzair would have a better salary the rate of leaving was completely different, because apart that, it is a great place to stay.

bye

If I may add something here, I totally disagree with people like BusAir etc. Who are known for their stirring around the company. Joining as a cadet in this company with zero experience means you will financially suffer for the first 18 months or so. It is a choice you make for yourself and accepting it means you do not get the right to moan anymore or anyones sympathy. And if Eastern Europe is so racist or second-tier then my god, please, pack yourself up and show yourself the door. I know plenty of guys that would love to take your place. I would like to add that I am not Polish, but have never been treated in a fashion that could be called unhospitable let alone discriminated against.

I disagree however with WZZ management that they exclusively pay salaries that are somehow a reflection of the national average salary in the country you are based in. This is an international market, and the FR guys parked right next to us doing a very similar route out of the same base do seem to be getting somewhat of a fair wage for what they do. For me that's the reason why so many people leave, deliberately ignoring holiday and roster issues.

Ref the racism was not by people within the company, more from the locals!

I guess you will only notice this if your skin colour is a bit dark!
Besides the Hungarian CRM team who likes to make jokes of the funny Indian accents!

It's coming to something when FR are the good wage benchmark.

Yes the irony is that at RyR you make more than double as an FO, and as a Captain I would think treble!

I say one thing only, unfair competition, because Wizz and likes bend every rule they can, be careful what you wish for if the other companies need to do the same to keep up and survive with cheaters like Wizz!

This is the major point people fail to understand!

If we do accept the way Wizz operates, and others similar, it will only be a matter of time before EVERYONE will do the same, and it will be joyous business.

If a FR captain makes about 9k/month. that can't be 3x more than a Wizz Cpt, no matter what the living costs are in Poland. Just out of interest, how much tax do you pay in Poland/Hungary?? In Ireland we pay almost 40% of the FO salary and I think captains pay even more (if not on a dodgy old contract) + social insurance

FR Captain on 9K a month, Wizz Captain on around £3500 a month!

Wizz pilots are not really paying any taxes, Wizz has created a Swiss tax haven!

Btw. who knows, employed or not, everybody gets a Swiss tax certificate!

Be careful for what you wish for! Some companies are cowboys who bend the rules more than others!