Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
 

Hi,


I was offered a position and start date with Ryanair recently (Direct Entry FO) but then it was withdrawn as my agency informed me Ryanair wanted to concentrate their efforts on Captain recruitment and training for the foreseeable future. I am currently in their hold pool. Just wondering if anybody else is in the same situation and what the chances are of being called in the next few months?


Thanks in advance.

Ryaniair (sic) FO Hold Pool
 

I'm not but I would venture that your chances will be much better if you learn to spell correctly the name of your prospective employer.

Holdingpool?
 

Hi.
I do not thingth spelling is the bigest problen hear!
1
No Direct Entry FOs in Ryr ,ever!
2
No holdingpool, whatever that is in aviation.
Mr Jaws just left for a better place.
So if You are in Ryr holding pool, start heading for shallow waters, speaking of shallow,,,.
Tides out.

BluSdUp, check your sources again...

Welcome to Ryanair!

Cabair351, I can confirm that captains get priority at the moment, unfortunately I have no info about waiting time, although I can assure you they are running tight on FO's aswell as on captains..

My opinion of course:ok:

Cabair351, just as bobermo said, hang in there and you'll get the call eventually.

Cargosales, get a life, anyone can clearly see it's a typo. To think you actually took the time to jump on the pprune spelling police bandwagon; pathetic :mad:

Ryanair Hold Pool
 

Bobermo / Coffin Corner,


Many thanks for the replies. That's good to hear.

Cabair 35, if you already passed the assessment then you will be given a job. At the moment they are moving FOs onto permanent staff positions and off contracts, so you could pursue the same, but you may have to have done a year on the line to get that.

As said, they are trying to get the capts sorted first as we are short of both and capts are harder to source, but you WILL get called. Don't turn down other good job offers if they come, though.

Ryanair
 

Thanks mate.

Cabair 351

Its all about the training department my friend. They are closing in on max production. 6 sims spread across 3000 odd pilots plus a thinning level of trainers both in the sim and on the line. More training positions advertised, but they will need to be trained too. Yes, the focus area will always be the left seat but as others have said, the right is a bit sparse too. For a variety of reasons there is a focus on DECs. It doesn't take too much prodding to reveal why. The big 'from the line' rumour is they are going to open up UK bases for DECs as the Morocco, Southern Italy and Greece option wasn't a big hit. Only a rumour so I have no authority on it, but it HAS been done before. Can't see how this will stem the tide as I personally know half a dozen skippers awaiting assessments and start dates with other airlines.

Not sure what their plans are for the right seat, however I would see a mixture of experience and zero experience cadet as the planned option. Basings will be the usual Russian Roulette. Wait it out but if something else comes along then...:ok:

All my opinion. You'll get there though. Best of luck

Ryanair Hold Pool
 

Thanks Callsign Kilo.
All noted.

Same here as Cabair.. passed the assessment, but was then told that FO recruitment has been put on hold for now and that it would most likely continue in January as the focus now is on the left seat. But that I would be among the first to get a call once they start again.

No self respecting DEC would apply for their terms....

Bobermo!
I just checked my sources.
There has never in the last 11 years been a OCC , 4 simsessions,
with Direct entry FOs with 1500hrs of resent B 737-7-900 and a totaltime of 2500 hrs wich would be reqrd.!
Full TR diffrent story, who pays?

351:
Lets define a holding pool,? Dont call us , we will call You.!
Son , keep Your dayjob.

On the other hand , if You know your :mad: and can fly. Welcomm to the show.

BluSdUp,

your comments would all have been applicable, for the last 11 years or so, but. . . . . . they are now very short, and are taking DEC's , which has been a while , and qualified FO's (not since 2003 if memory serves well)

Of course the focus is on Capt's, as they can be called to operate as FO's if required & are therefore "covering" 2 seats in any shortfall of crew on the day.


Get in, get your experience, and get out, as ( only in my humble opinion of course) any perceived "softening" of attitudes towards crew will only last as long as any shortage of same.

You have been warned :=

Cpt play.
Still looking forward to the first DEFO occ wonders.
Planning is one thing , executing another.

And Yes ,they are up the creeck ,no propultion. Canselations are apperantly happening on line.
True, me not know?

Is Bjørn doing any better I may ask, considdering the super contracts he is offering. Would love Your take on that. 300 plus required is the latest?
Thats a lot of sim-time and a few lintrainers working hard, Eh?
Good luck.

Was told the other day that something seriously North of 10 FO's who joined from the filth in the last 18mths ( with the promise of "rapid" Command ) are seriously reconsidering their options having witnessed only one upgrade course this last (longish) while.

They are contemplating returning to whence they came from. . . . unthinkable ? well, viewed as part of a long-term plan. . . maybe not. Those that had the foresight to leave on amicable terms will be welcomed back warmly ;) & given a VERY rapid Command (which they would have accepted no doubt 12-18mths ago anyhow had the T's & C's not been so woeful.)

Couple of years back there in the LHS & the world is your Mussel (sorry Oyster . . . . or was it Clam )

Several years more in the RHS in NAS (as a Contractor mind you , not even in Core) when you have Command Hrs is not what these Dudes signed up for (neither was Summer in €10 a Beer Norway either, but that is another story )

Cpt P
Command is king for Senior FOs,indeed that is a pearl branded before.!

You did just propose local pay-scales based on ale . Super, all for it,

Lastly, never mind cpts, what is the offisial recruitment estimate for Bjørn the next 12 months. Retirment, new aircraft netto etc.
365,5? One a day, Think of a number!?
Anyway ,got to fly,Nite

BluSdUp check your sources.
There was a minimum of 1 DEFO course in 2008, even with one on a Ryanair contract as an FO...

Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
 

I'm ex FR and I'm 'toying' with the idea of going back! I think NAS is heading FR direction? I believe people's minds are 50/50 with that statement.

I am not sure what the problem is with those people comparing Nax to Ryr, the fact that they are both lowcost doesnt mean anything regarding work conditions...

Since I joined Fr, the conditions have gotten worse and worse... payscale,roster, holidays...
I have never seen a single bonus or improvement in 8 years Time !

When I am comparing this to what I have now, I wish I would have done it before.

I am sure a few left Nax to go back or to the far east but the vast majority is Happy here and there is so many jobs offer at the moment ... Why go back ???

Of course this is only my humble opinion. :)

BluSdUp,


Rather like your singular wit, unique (not in a good way) style of messaging and not to mention atrocious spelling you seem to be one of the few people I have met in this business who have never heard of a 'hold pool.' That's HOLD POOL not 'holding pool' - God only knows where you read that from but it wasn't from my original post.


I wont reply to anymore of your posts. After all, there are many young, impressionable minds on this forum who may well be mistaken in to believing your trolling is a perfectly normal way for a 50 year old man to reply to what was an entirely reasonable question.

Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
 

Rang storm to see whether I can come back, but they have a hold on FO's! And the priority is DEC and cadets. So they can't be that stuck for FO's considering they're willing to wait for a cadet to finish line training!

Stuck enough to roster captains together on a flight due lack of FO's...

galwaypilot, who did you leave for that you wish to come back? Sorry just being curious. Obviously Ryan aren't the worst if there are some willing to return! Regards SAR

Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
 

Ah I know they're stuck, getting the €€ from the NTR cadets vs getting TR guys into the right seat to fill the gap. I can't say who I joined for obvious reasons. But another 737 EU operator.

I believe even since I left (Jan this year) it's got worse in FR. The reasons for me contemplating a return is the roster and commuting. As the roster here is off the walls! It's got worse since I joined. Thus commuting is nearly impossible.

Yeah it seems to be the one bonus for Ryan, the roster! Best of luck with whatever you end up doing galwaypilot!At Least you have jet experience and are in a job at present, a huge head start on many others.

Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
 

Yea exactly... But listen it's hard as FR has no regard for their "employees". And as long as MOL is in power. It'll remain that way. It's not like he needs the cash.

Depends how long it takes to get a DEP on the line?

I always think it is a mistake to take leavers back. They left in the first place because they were disgruntled and there is nothing worse than having a disgruntled employee. My last company had a no-return policy. During the 19 years that I was there, we only ever had one "returnee". He left again within 6 months!

Does anyone have any idea when they'll start taking pilots from this 'Hold Pool'?

Well just like I posted earlier in this thread, I was told probably not until January

DEFOs
 

3 Nov 2008, OCC was conducted with 5 Direct Entry type rated FOs although FWIW all have now left, 3 went to a longhaul airline, one is now running his own business and the other one held onto the foreign licence and didn't change to IAA.

Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
 

So I see the last 6 comments have been deleted! Can a moderator say why?? Anyway, so if you wanted to return, who do you contact. PB or DR...?

Interesting.... :ugh:

Well, it may have been for our benefit, probably not though. Ryanair have a history of obtaining the identities of Pprune members who've posted stuff about them, and they've been forced to make a substantial donation to charity and issue a public apology, under threat of litigation. To my mind, that breaches freedom of speech, but there you go! :ugh:

If people don't know what Ryanair are like by now...

All in my own humble opinion of course :mad:

Guys has anyone heard of any DE FO assessments of late?

No....seems to be cadets and internal upgrades ....

Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
 

Well they can be that stuck as the likes of I and many others who are ex FR guys have heard nada. It's that or we're not wanted!

Thought this would be as good a place as any to pose the question.....
Reading other threads here it is clear other European Locos have been getting worse by the day, especially our friend in the northern region with the red jersey. So is FR as bad now in comparison to the others? Also has any of the new FR welcoming, kind HR been extended into the flight deck or is it business as usual? Are crews seeing any improvement in their base choices, I had heard that was one of the strategies to try and stop the exodus. I presume the exodus north will now grind to an almighty stop!!

Nothing at all has changed at RYR except the mgmt are very keen to emphasise that fuel loads are the commanders' decision and no pressure is to be applied to us to take minimums when operational factors are such that more fuel is prudent, and more people are being moved onto permanent employment from contracts (I suspect just a forced reaction to the investigations and possible prosecutions by numerous EU authorities). That latter issue is resulting in new captains having appallingly low pay (E45k basic!), but at east as employees it's easier for them to get credit/mortgages. Basing, leave and rosters are unchanged.

So, Ryr is looking a better place to stay only because so many of the others are getting even worse, not because Ryr are improving.

Ask new FO's with €150 000+ training debt if they see a bright future in Blue Yellow & White..