Pfo as well...
Bye bye Titan :)

For those of us just a little older.......
What is PFO ?

Politely Foxtrot Oscar??

Aah yes, did not think of that!!

My experience of our industry is that nothing is certain, most transition from one extreme to the other.

So do not despair you might find PFO is followed by offers!

So how did you all get on ?

Evening folks,

Having scoured the tinterweb, I have only found salary and terms on PPJN for 2006. Has the salary changed since then? If so, by how much?

Roster - can you expect a chaotic summer with no pattern and a rather quiet winter with rather long down time like most charter/adhoc airlines or do they keep you busy year round?

Some good quality skippers have been selected. Should all be going through company specific training shortly.

Summer should be busy with mostly rostered flying. Winters quieter but getting busier.

Truckflyer
 

I don't understand your logic.

Are you seriously suggesting that people shouldn't apply for a well paid, stable job on the basis that the airline (which is a commercial venture), accepted contract work from another airline?

I should remind you that there will always be applicants for such a job. To not apply, would be to help others in their job hunt and is a sure fire route to the poor house.

It's a catch 22 isn't it?

Titan company takes on to do the work that could lead to future deteriorating conditions for your own profession!

I know now that quite a few companies was wet-leased probably some time in advance for this exact purpose.

Anyone involved in those flights, Titan, Jet 2, DAT and others, assisting to break the strike, will be publicly humiliated as being strikebreakers, I have this as first hand information.

This might or might not effect your career in the future.

The point is that there action and consequence, and I know that there is great determination in Norwegian to name and shame all the strike-breakers involved.

Unless the profession stands united, there is no hope for the future, and the race towards the bottom will continue.
They are now going into the 9.th day of strikes, and I for sure would not want to be on one of their lists when publicized afterwards!

Wind your neck in truckflyer! I'm sorry for your difficulties at NAS but to threaten and intimidate others legitimately going about their work is unacceptable!

I am not the one making these threats, but I have first hand information that this is in the process, and I for sure would not want to be on one of those lists!

I do though agree that we should not complain about the industry conditions, if we at least can't attempt to stand united for a cause that is determining for the whole industry!

The Norwegian strike in the end will be about union busting if the airline wins!

truckflyer Your attitude sums up why respect for the pilot profession is heading to the gutter.
Dear God man, I would expect comments like that from the likes of Scargill, Red Robbo, etc, but not from a supposed 'professional' pilot? Or are you part of a new generation of 'flying' pickets!

Truckflyer
 

It's not a Catch 22 at all.

As Crosswind limits says, I sympathise with your plight in Norwegian, but don't blame other professionals.

Pilots in airlines that have been chartered, in order to provide cover, have no choice but to go to work. To be threatened with some kind of "blacklist" action, is quite frankly, shameful.

I heard about this list about a week ago, and again I got information that it is being prepared and will be sent out to all the airlines in EU land.

Do not shoot the messenger! (I am not even working for Norwegian)

I am not blaming other professionals for what they have to do, but like it or not, this is what is about to happen.

We all have freedom of choice and freedom of speech.
As Norwegian pilots have the freedom of choice to provide a scab - list.

I will take my chances. Thanks for the warnings, but I don't take them seriously.

This is not the 1970's.

For a group of pilots who were happy to pay for their ratings in order to "get ahead", to then cry foul when others (who are employed in other countries, let alone other airlines) legitimately do their jobs is a risible situation. These pilots started the trend of allowing employers to set the agenda.

If you, Truckflyer, are the best mouthpiece the Norwegian pilots have to advertise their plight, then they need a new one. You're not doing a good job.

Enough with the nonsense, at risk of repeating myself, this isn't the 1970's.

Sorry my mistake, it's the NPU , pilot Union in Norway who request this

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Førde forteller at han og selskapet har sendt en anbefaling til IFALPA(Flygernes internasjonale forening) om en internasjonal svartelisting av pilotene som bryter streiken.

Translated
Forde says that he and the company has sent a recommendation to IFALPA ( pilots' union international ) for an international blacklisting of the pilots who break the strike.

Think what you want to think!

Are you sure the NPU isn't referring to NAS core pilots who work through the strike rather than sub chartered companies, Truckflyer? That's how I interpreted the statement. If you interpret that as carte blanche to threaten pilots in other airlines, I don't know what that says about you, but it isn't good.

It's one thing to release the details of which flights have been subcontracted to which company - there is nothing wrong with that and it highlights the extent of the dispute by showing how many flights are affected, but it's quite another to attack the specific pilots of those flights who have no control over their roster and could be sacked for refusing to fly and would not have union support for doing so as they would have acted illegally. So, I find it hard to believe that the NPU would advocate an attack on other pilots put in an uncomfortable position - most of those wet lease pilots will have sympathy with the NAS pilots and NPU, so attacking them would not only be utterly despicable but ultimately counter productive - what unions would co-operate with NPU if the NPU went out of their way to compromise the other unions' members?

I hope you have misunderstood the NPU statements and intentions.

No I have not misunderstood, I know guys on the inside, both in the union and in the airline.

And NPU is making the request to IFALPA -The International Federation of Air Line Pilot’s Associations to publish the list.

I am in split minds over these companies and their pilots to be honest. In the end it's an own goal! And does seem a bit hypocritical if you will hear any of those complaining about the race to the bottom.

In which case NPU are ignorant of the law in the UK. You cannot expect people to break the law and lose their jobs and it is unfair and wrong to blacklist them.

truckflyer - What planet do you or the authors of this suggestion live on? The own goal will be on you.

Charity begins at home; unfortunately for you not in the wider workforce. Any suggestion of any personal accusations made against other pilots will only alienate you. An airline going under in Europe may only help the others by removing the competition and that may secure their pilots positions.

Whilst I sympathise with your plight it is your fight do not bring your 'dirty washing' to my door with your nasty threats. As has been said no one has any choice if they are rostered to operate one of these flights.

I only hope your undrstanding is wrong.

Let me see what I am not understanding here.

Jet 2, or other airlines, companies like Titan - are not scheduled to fly Norwegian routes.

However due to an industrial dispute, they take over these routes, which are not company standard. Ok companies like Titan probably an exception, as they are not a regular airline.

Is it not fair to assume that people fighting for their TC's should be upset that they see colleagues replacing them?

Oh sorry, of course, it's dog eats dog, so shut up next time you complain about terrible TC's in aviation! What goes around comes around they say! And everybody gets what they deserve!

Now I repeat, I am not involved with Norwegian, and these are news articles from Norwegian press and information from Norwegian pilots I know.

A footnote, being ignorant of the laws in the UK, however equally this could also be breach of Norwegian law!

Truck flyer.

The legality of accepting such work (in respect of Norwegian law) is down to the airline accountable managers, and not th individual crews.

This thread is about TITAN RECRUITMENT, perhaps you could let it get back to that?

Truck Flyer

The list of airlines is not accurate, in that Thomas Cook is NOT operating L-YVEO as stated in the list you shared. It is Avion Express. The Thomas Cook pilots have 6 such wet leased aircraft (Smartlynx etc) doing THEIR pilot's work in the busy summer period; not a popular situation as you would appreciate.

If Norwegian were striking in May, most of the aircraft would not be available.

Could you edit and correct please?

Sorry for the continued thread drift.

Yes, I guess it will always be, Me, Myself and I! Sc... the rest! :D - It was good to highlight the truth of self-worth in this business! :}

Perhaps you should apply to Titan truckflyer and see whether they will entertain you.

As NR posted, this is about TITAN recruitment, not Norwegian taking on the world. I would politely suggest, if you wish to continue your cause, you create your own unique thread.

Its free. Go on, you know you want to....

So, Truckflyer, you hijack a thread about another company, threaten and insult pilots of other airlines who are sent to fly sectors almost certainly against their will with no legal option other than to do as their employers instruct, you demand that they risk their families and homes so for your benefit and then accuse them of selfishness. Have I missed something, or are you really as stupid and egocentric as you appear? If you are indicative of NAS pilots as a whole, and I highly doubt so and sincerely hope that you are not, then my sympathies with the group would be exhausted. Certainly you personally deserve none.

Wow, so all that piss and vinegar and he isn't even involved. No way would he refuse to fly if Ann Summer Air rostered him on a wet lease - all bluster. Thanks for the pointer, MOB.

That I was not involved would have been clear if you had read my post, where I stated this clearly.
Furthermore I have never threaten to release such a list/information. This was reported in the Norwegian media and the NPU in addition to various Norwegian pilots that I know.
I was spreading the Rumour (PPRuNe) - Rumour Network!

Equally we should be allowed to have an opinion on such events, or has freedom of speech already been abolished in the UK?

Freedom of expression does not include the freedom to threaten or abuse others. That has always been quite apparent to those without severe character defect.

I repeat I have not threaten, I simply talked of the information that had been written in Norwegian newspapers and what I had heard from Norwegian pilots!

As I said before, don't shoot the messenger! :ugh:

I am not the one who planned to publish such a list, do I need to spell it out more for you AS?

You were right behind the alleged NPU quote, gleefully posting it and making aggressive and abusive remarks of your own. That those posts have been deleted does not change what you said.

What threats?

Stating the obvious that there is no loyalty regardless in the business, is that an abusive remark for you? For me it is just a fact of life!

Truckflyer

You may well be the messenger as you say but it is obvious you are a willing one! Why else would you convey such a message which contained barely veiled threats? We all saw them before they were deleted! To still be defending and justifying your position on this thread days later speaks volumes about you.

Titan are a good company and yes some of their work involves covering other operators who lack capacity or have AOG issues or cannot crew aircraft for whatever reason. If this is due to strike action and I'm rostered to cover such flights, I will do so as it is my job. I would of course have sympathy with the pilots affected but that would evaporate very quickly if I felt threatened in any way!

Willing? No, not at all, I just conveyed rumours I have heard and read!

Willing would be if I posted the list up on PPRune!

If I knew I had be rostered to take such a flight, it would have given me a second thought of the implications, yet here it seems it does not really matter!

You would only take offence if you felt yourself threaten by your own actions, not by my words!
Personally I assume this in a few weeks will be blown away with the wind, it will be history, but not forgotten!

And do what with your second thoughts??? Tell your employer you were not going to operate such flights on principle!!?? That would make you a fool as the consequences for your employment would be obvious!! :ugh:

Whilst truckflyer continues to lurk this thread I'm done with it. For those of us planning to join Titan shortly, it has served its purpose and is now only being ruined by a ridiculous sideshow!

You mean these deleted entries:

truckflyer

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No I have not misunderstood, I know guys on the inside, both in the union and in the airline.

And NPU is making the request to IFALPA -The International Federation of Air Line Pilot’s Associations to publish the list.

I am in split minds over these companies and their pilots to be honest. In the end it's an own goal! And does seem a bit hypocritical if you will hear any of those complaining about the race to the bottom.

truckflyer

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Let me see what I am not understanding here.

Jet 2, or other airlines, companies like Titan - are not scheduled to fly Norwegian routes.

However due to an industrial dispute, they take over these routes, which are not company standard. Ok companies like Titan probably an exception, as they are not a regular airline.

Is it not fair to assume that people fighting for their TC's should be upset that they see colleagues replacing them?

Oh sorry, of course, it's dog eats dog, so shut up next time you complain about terrible TC's in aviation! What goes around comes around they say! And everybody gets what they deserve!

Now I repeat, I am not involved with Norwegian, and these are news articles from Norwegian press and information from Norwegian pilots I know.

A footnote, being ignorant of the laws in the UK, however equally this could also be breach of Norwegian law!
Last edited by truckflyer; 10th Mar 2015 at 11:29.

truckflyer

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Well it could effect Titan future!

Also who wants to be associated with a company that are happy to break strike?

What effect will a :mad: list have on the future careers of those pilots? If published by IFALPA?

So Socrates, trying to clean up the thread to avoid further drift tread, good work to bring it back! You really have to have a chip on your shoulder!

Don't worry the future Norwegian model will be adapted by most companies in the future, all pilots will be employed trough agencies, no more employment in the traditional way.

Since you seem to want to keep this discussion alive Socrates, do you want me to send you the list when I get it? Or do you prefer I post it here on this thread?

No, Truck, he's just not letting you behave badly, delete your own posts and then play the victim.

Titan Airways recruitment 2017
 

Hi everyone, I recently attempted the recruitment for Titan, interview and simulator for Airbus 320, but is around one month that I don't receive any communications or feedback. Did someone recently attempt the recruitment or otherwise know if it is a regular routine that?