What evidence do you have that Jet2 would be different to Thomson or any other airline or indeed business, that redundancies would not be made during a down turn?

Perhaps Jet 2 have a "magic money tree"...

You will be in a significant minority (i.e. Just one) as most people move the other way. A handful of pilots have been 'asked' to leave for various reasons in the past and ended up in Jet2. Apart from time to command, a glance at T&Cs in Jet2 shows they are noticeably poorer.

I don't, all I know is that over the last 13 years that I have been at Jet2 there have been no redundancies made or threatened due to economic downturns, by comparison the bottom of the seniority list has been culled on at least one, if not more occasions.

With regards to T's and C's, I can't argue, Jet2 don't stack up against Thomson, but not many airlines do.

Much of what you have posted is illinformed and speculative! Redundancies were made at Thomson because it changed its business model and got rid of the low cost side of the business - Thomson fly. I could speculate and say these things could happen elsewhere. Just because your 13 years (wow!) with Jet2 have not seen redundancies does not mean that if the company were faced with this dilemma, it wouldn't follow suit. Unless Jet2 is a charity run for the benefit of its pilots. But I speculate.

T&Cs better than Jet2 at: BA, VS, TCX, TOM

Sort it out. Help Jet2 to get T&Cs up to where they should be!

B7E7,

As I said, I don't for one minute think that Jet2 wouldn't do what they have to do, they just don't seem to make as much of a habit of it as other airlines.

Hec7

Probably a commuter or someone in the wrong job. Anyone with half a brain appreciates it doesn't get much better.
What's the difference between a Pilot and a Jet Engine?
The Pilot never stops whining

Further recruitment is up in the air at the moment. Airlines tend to be the 'canary in the mine' when it comes to plotting the direction of the economy and Thomson, like a number of other airlines sense a down turn on the horizon and are taking steps accordingly.

Not a minority of one. Took the money and ran to the desert. If you want to say that Thomson or certainly Jet2 is better than all ME options I could not agree more. Thomson had a lot of hard fought for benefits which courtesy of Britannia management and Balpa made the airline the employee's choice. Post merger it became obvious that the new management were determined to drive those conditions south at a rate of knots. Partially successful including 100 redundancies off the bottom. Anyway 7E7 you are obviously an expert on everything so good luck. Or exhibiting a common Thomson trait, a spectacular Stockholm syndrome whereby all other airlines are somehow 'inferior'. I can only say and repeat that Jet2 has been a breath of fresh air in my experience.

Sorry you think that. We are talking TOM verses Jet2 and I called you on it. Ultimately, if your experience is as you say it is, great! But the overwhelming flow of pilots is from Jet2 to TOM and not the other way around.

No problem 7E7. The truth is out there. Of course, Thomson is a good airline and in airline 'hierarchy' it is well regarded. In my own opinion the airline industry across the board has been the target of the mba community, not least pilot terms. Jet2 does not appear surprisingly to be over concerned about the lack of flying hours in winter. The managers are dare I say it pilot 'types' and are generally tuned into our concerns or so it appears. New aircraft appearing and the image courtesy of Jet2 holidays is gradually changing. To my jaded, not far from retirement eyes it really has been a 'breath of fresh air'. Including minimal political backbiting which I had the misfortune to have a ringside seat for in Thomson / TUI or whatever they call themselves this week. So before, the 'what about the hold pool?' wannabes get animated again let's take a compromise view in that they are both good companies and direct comparisons are not reliable. Of course the flow has been from Jet2 to Thomson traditionally but I suspect that will not be forever. Cheers.

ps in terms of awfulness they are both airline nirvana compared to Emirates.

In my experience the overwhelming flow of pilots is constituted of FOs. There are quite a few who are being sucked in by the promise of the Dreamliner. They'll learn sooner or later.

How many captains are leaving Jet2 for a DEC at Thomson?

None. Thomson don't offer it.

As a 787 Training Captain at Thomson I have to take exception to your comment Chesty. A recent Final Line Check I did was on an ex Jet2 pilot who was in the Capt 'hold pool' at Jet2. He elected to leave for various reasons. He is now an FO on the 787 with us. He's happy he left, I can only go on what he told me.

I promised myself I wouldn't post again, but I gotta tell ya some of the stuff posted here is way off the mark.

Being sucked in by the promise of the 787? Two years in Thomson and it's yours if you want it. It's not for everyone and neither is Thomson it seems, but for those who are interested, it's easily the best job I've ever had. For those who aren't, good luck. Right.......I'm really done now. :)

And yeah the 787 is fab.

You take exception to my experience?

How can anyone say that Jet 2 has better T&Cs than Thomson ?
Thomson,Monarch and Thomas Cook are in a league of there own (if you take into account regional bases and schedule agreements)
I think there may be some Thomson jealousy

Did I miss something, I don't believe anybody has said that Jet2 has better T's and C's than TUI. Cant be sure about MON these days after their recent turmoil, and all I know about TCX is that their pension contribution is way above Jet2's.

Well....yes! The overwhelming evidence of pilots leaving Jet2 to come to Thomson suggests otherwise.

Guys, enough of the willy waving my dad is bigger than your dad rubbish.

Different companies have different attractions benefits and downsides, back to the thread on those that wish to join Jet2.

Nothing to do with what you suggest. This thread is littered with half truths, uninformed views and peddling 'views' which clearly have an ulterior motive. So give it a rest, Bluepilot.

I think you could replace "this thread" with "this website".

If that's the kind of thing that gets your blood boiling you may be wise to put down your iPad (other non fruit based tablets are available)

Why would you think it makes my blood boil? Just saying like it is. But some pilots don't like to be challenged or called out on their nonsense!

olster, you were obviously on the 777...............

I couldn't possibly say, Cragster old bean...Finally...yes, stop the willy waving (good phrase). Jet2 is work in progress and fine to work for. As is Thomson... I've worked for both. It is not a competition. We are all part of the same industry and I hope and wish for good terms and conditions for all of us.

For the wannabes and this thread is apparently about Jetdeux... Recruitment on going, new aircraft and bases. Interview process old fashioned, be yourself and they want pilots so the sim is important. However...the gentlemen who run the sim are exactly that..gentlemen. They are on your side and create a relaxed and professional tone for you to do your best so good luck to all.

Cheers

Looks like they might have filled the Hold Pool....most openings removed from the website overnight.

They have placed a number of us in a pre-hold pool hold pool.
ie application processed but not interviewed/sim checked.
Sensible system really

All this drivel about "why would you join Jet2 when you could join Thomson" is quite astonishing really.

It depends which seat you are in! I don't know a single experienced 737 Captain that would ever consider P2 at Thomson. However I believe there is one or two recently upgraded YOUNGER guys that are hopping over to the right. Fair enough if that's what floats your boat.

A significant amount of First Officers I have flown with recently are joining Jet2 and Thomson for DIFFERENT reasons.

A few of my ex LHS colleagues have joined Jet2 in STN as DECs. They are quite happy with it all. Like I said joining another company depends entirely for some on what seat you will occupy.

As a mid thirties 737 training captain on circa 120k per year, joining Thomson as a p2 will never be an option for me. However Jet2 as a DEC would be if circumstances were to change.

Will Jet2 ever introduce a 5 on 4 off roster?

I've been in the hold pool with JET2 since mid September and got a call about 2 weeks ago offering me a September start so there is sign of movement :)
I know somebody that was a couple of days ahead of me in the pool that hasn't got a call yet so it can't be first come first served order I don't think....
Good luck to everyone else and be patient.....the call will come!

If jet2 had a 5/4 roster it would be inundated with applications.. Its the only reason Ryanair are able to crew their planes

When I was at Jet2 I was repeatedly told nobody wants a fixed pattern roster, I love my 5/4 roster.

Which base have you been offered Jet123? I suspect the offers might be base dependent.

Jet123, that's great news. Are you going to RHS or LHS?

Great news 123, good luck

Not quite sure who is jerking the Dart group share price, 650 yesterday 550 today?

14% drop in pretax profit for the year ended March 31 and a comment from the chairman, who said."There remains considerable uncertainty around "Brexit" negotiations and the effect these could have, both on our freedom to fly and on our customers' ability to travel to our leisure destinations."

Hi mates,

One question. Is it possible to choose Alicante as permanent Base during FO time and after your Upgrade?

How many time it takes to upgrade as Captain?

Are they flying 4 sector days usually. What percentage per month?

What's the training pay? How long it takes and who pay the expenses?

If someone can help me with this doubts I will really appreciate

Cheers

SAMCA

Alicante base - you will be able to express a preference however you might well be recruited for another base initially, it depends on commercial requirements. Base transfers are usually pretty swift.

Time to Command - depends on you really, and the number of hours you have/work. Alicante based guys don't do a lot of hours so if you are joining with little experience it will take a while. There isn't a seniority list, you apply for consideration when you have the required experience and believe that you are ready.

4 sector days - almost none.

Training pay - I believe that you are paid fully during your training. Per dimes are at a reduced rate during the type rating which I believe is funded by Jet2 in lieu of a bond.

Ok more or less I understand, so you don't really know when the company is going to give you your preference base right? I mean there is no seniority...

samca

Base transfer list is very transparent and unheard of to be on it for a year. ALC is not the most popular base for F/O's as you don't fly much at all so it would be fairly quick to get there. 3-6 months I recon

LessPepper

If you have the hours and time in company I'd say 6 months to a year to get thru the system so long as your sharp. It's all best guess stuff as it's down to requirements.

Thank you,

How much can make "net" per month an FO and CPT at the beginning?. How many hours you fly usually per month ?