Non type rated 737NG Low hour first officers
 

Has anyone got any more information on this opportunity?

It seems too good to be true, do jobs like this actually exist anymore?

The agency don't have a history of pilot recruitment and won't disclose any informations on it and which airline?

I think it's a scam and they just want details of pilots or maybe will be asking for money later down the line! Oh please pay us for a sim check, which then gets cancelled!

Whats the old saying ? " if it sounds too good to be true. . .it probably is" :hmm:

Well, no harm in applying & pursuing the "opportunity" until the 60,000$ question arrives. . . . let us know.

By " low Hours" I assume they mean relatively, as they ask for an ATPL and glass cockpit, s either 1500hrs under the old system or at least 500 multi pilot multi crew.. or am I missing something?

Could it possibly be Thomson? They're a charter airline that operates 737s and I'm pretty sure they have a link to Canada...

But it does sound as if it could be too good to be true.

What's a third officer??
Not like there's a cruise pilot on 737's.

A title invented to pay less than normal First Officer pay I would imagine. Other companies use Second Officer , or Junior First Officer.

Bottom line is that if you are checked out & operating in the RHS you are "First Officer" & if I pop my clogs, promoted to Captain. . . end of.

I don't know what airline it is but one thing is certain,by advertising it even more you have more and more chances to remain...Unemployed,unemployedFO :E apply to it,it wont hurt,then ask questions,now you've got yourself more competition,dogs eats dog....

Last week these guys were touting the same job (by the sounds of it) for a salary of up to £45k (First Officers) so I guess the difference between 1st & 3rd Officers is about £10k

A bit uncalled for. We've all been new pilots looking for their first break. Sometimes you get your hopes up when you see what looks like the promised land. A few years in the industry gives you the experience to know that if it looks that good it is definitely a scam.

Good luck Unemployed FO I fully sympathise with your position and hope that some fortune comes your way eventually.

The £45k position is, allegedly, for a Type Rated FO. After speaking with the recruitment firm concerned they told me summer is spent in 1 of a few UK bases, and winter is spent in Canada. Sadly though, they were unable to tell me the name of their client.

Definetely sounds to me like Thomson.


real kick in the balls to the guys in the hold pool.......

Some operators use a 737 three man crew on long duty sectors in the Pacific region. One real captain and two first officers of which one gets called Cruise captain to keep him happy. Wears 4 bars on his sector while the captain snoozes down the back and three bars when PNF. The union makes sure he gets paid an extra 15 grand a year. Not a bad rort if you can get away with it...

the airline is thomson,

i spoke to someone i know today that works for c&m recruitment and they told me that thomson came to them for 12 pilots, for which interviews have already been arranged.

the agency is continuing to advertise the vacancy to increase their CV database of pilots to effectively make it seem like they are a big agency and to get details of wannabe/low hour pilots :rolleyes:

Skyhigh86

It's not Thomson.

I've also spoken with the recruitment company. Sounds like an interesting opportunity.

Which other charter airline operates in the UK and Canada?

You could make it even simpler MH!

How many leading UK charter airlines operate the NG?

So one person confirming it is thomson and another confirming its not thomson.....


I personally think it has to be.

Big kick in the nads for us hold poolers who initially all applied and interviewed for a full time position at Thomson last year.
Only to be told we had passed but could only be offered a temp position. A few months down the line and it would appear the job we applied for is being advertised once again albeit with some time spent in canada. Something that i would personally love to do.

Oh well, maybe Thomson isnt the shinier than shiny airline we all thought it was.

UnemployedFO. Your not very savvy are you.....jeez

Well that's a helpful post... not, jeez to you too, you idiot :ugh:

UnemployedFO, ignore the bellends on here and good luck son. :ok:

It's not Thomson.

Just for what it's worth tcx operate on Canada as well but it's not them.

I agree with LEG. Well said mate, how much savvy does it take to know the diff between your, you're and you are? :rolleyes:

Not Thomson, not Thomas Cook. Hmm, sounds like we're running out of possible airlines.

I don't believe it. As Skyhigh86 says, Thomson ballsed up their recruitment plans and then found many candidates turned down the derisory part time job offers leaving them a little short. 12 pilots sounds 'a little short'...

If you know who it is, Pin Head, just say. We are all friends here. ;)

I could be wrong but I think it's:

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Read the advert again MH / Skyhigh86

It doesn't say anything about it being a UK operator.

It's a company operating in Europe and Canada that is planning to, or already has bases in the UK.

I've done my bit of google searching and come up with my short list of who it might be, but since all will be revealed in the next few weeks if you're successful in your application, why ruin the surprise!?

And as for those who think this opportunity is far too good to be true, it shows just how far this industry has fallen when an opportunity offering a pilot a reasonable salary (albeit reduced) on the basis of a type rating included is viewed by many as too good to be true.

We've been brainwashed by the orange 'n the Irish brigade into believing the only way in to this industry, or climbing that greasy pole is to pay your own this, that, and the other and then accept a flexi contract or self employed pay-as-you-go "agreement" (best word I can think of because neither could be classed as a "deal")

Lets not forget the UK market is predominately cashing in on the training for LHS and RHS positions. And there are others in the world doing the same. But not EVERY airline is at it.

There's certainly no harm in applying and perhaps this might just be one of them rare opportunities that comes along once every blue moon, less cynicism required here until one is in possession of ALL the facts, and a bit more of an eyes wide open approach perhaps?

Boing717

Fair point. However, the recruitment agency is based in England, they state the job location is England, the remuneration is in £s and not €s and they're operating the 737NG. Yes, they advert mentions Europe and Canada. An advert for Ryanair might mention Europe and Africa but that doesn't mean it's Royal Air Maroc.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm posting. I have no real desire to apply. It's the fairly likely Thomson link that caught my eye. If it's not them, great. The Sunwings rumour looks even more 'interesting'.

Someone put this to scare other airlines that there is a lack of pilots :)

If it doesnt turn out to be Thomson i will eat my (imaginary) pilots hat!

Totally untrue posts on here
 

Hi Guys,

Im Carl. I am the Aviation & Technical specialist at C&M aviation and before even more :mad: is posted on here I thought id clear a few things up.

First of all Serenity where the bloody hell have you got the info this is a third officer postion ? We have 16 Vacancies at present. Eight are for experienced 737 F/Os and the other Eight are for Low hour pilots. We are also new to Flight crew recruitment (This is why I came onboard) but we did already have a huge database of candidates as we previously recruited in the Aviation sector.

The deal is awesome with the carrier but Boeing actually provide the type rating for the carrier as an agreement when the aircraft were purchased. Basically it costs the carrier nothing for the type rating as it was agreed when A/C were purchased that T/R would be provided.

Yorkshire- Pud - There are two different ads - One for experienced paying 42 - 45k and low hour 32-37k basic.

I am unfortunately not allowed to confirm the client but being in the Thomson holdpool myself I can confirm there will be no kicks in the balls for anyone there as it is not Thomson !

321 ABC is posting complete untrue idiotic information. The only two people in the Aviation division are myself and my Partner Lesley who have not disclosed this information to anybody. We also already have a database of 20,000 so increasing the database and wasting time is not our number one priority.

Basically I would just like to ask. If you want to apply ! apply, its real, there are postions there and quite a few more with this carrier in the pipeline. If your not interested then stop posting a load of :mad:

Boeing 7117 - Thankyou for your post. A pilot with an inch of maturity and positive outlook. There are still good guys out there !

One final note if you are invited to interview (Will find out on the 22nd) We will inform of the carrier straight away. I have been in the same postion guys applying for carriers in the a** end of europe at 3 am and we completely understand most peoples current situation but we are not allowed to disclose who it as at the moment as they want to avoid being bombarded with 1000's of CV's

Thank you to clear things up.:ok:

Good luck for ones who are invited.

cheerz

It may sounds good to you but it is really not at all for us, part of the Canadian aviation community.

As BlackandBrown I am assuming it is for Sunwing.
Right or wrong! Mr Carl is always open to "clear things up" :suspect:
All in all, I would highly recommend reading this "hot" topic on Avcanada and a few others running about this subject. This will put things back into perspective.

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So there it is, must be Thomson then. :p

Why post its with a leading UK charter airline? I link the UK location since the job advertisement has you based in the UK for a period through out the year. Thomson is the only leading UK charter airline that operate the NG. I'm sorry but you have generated this mess yourself with facts that point this towards a leading carrier and now you are saying its not.

A deal with Sunwings would see the pilots operate Thomson flights in the summer, so in my opinion those two are related, and you would know this, hence the deal between the two locations (and perhaps trying to sell the job on the back of TOMs reputation), my moneys on this one! I guess we will find out if yous guys are credible on the 22nd.

On the hold pool with TOM, I agree with you, if its Sunwings it won't affect the current poolers, if its just to accommodate the reciprocal agreement, outside of that then its whole new can of worms.

"will find out on the 22nd" so that's the date people will get their golden call or PFO emails?? Like I said to UnemployedFO it won't hurt to apply so I guess I'll pop an application up,good luck :ok:

Hello, somebody can tell me how to apply for this position?
Because last week I sent my cv to Lesley........but I have not gotten any reply...
thank s

I spoke to Carl earlier this week regarding the opportunity, like many I was suspicious that it was too good to be true, I must have read the job notification a dozen times then got my wife to re-read to find the catch. As mentioned in an earlier post this is more an indication as to how bad the situation has got recently that we regard such an opportunity with suspicion. When I spoke to Carl he told me pretty much everything that he has written in his earlier post, while I don't know him personally he seemed to be an articulate, personable and genuine bloke who I enjoyed talking to.

As far as who the operator is, the opportunity to be rated on a modern swept wing jet free of charge to the cadet with the chance to work in the UK and Canada is too good to be missed. Obviously at some stage during the selection process it will become clear who the operator is and if you are lucky enough to get that far and don't want to work for them then just withdraw your application and let someone else in.

If after all this you're still suspicious and don't think that it's for you then don't apply.

Uchy, I emailed my CV direct to Carl and have not received a reply either, I suspect if they acknowledged every application that they received they would still be sending out acknowledgement when the cadets start their rating courses.

Hi all again !

I can completely understand everyones frustrations as we are mostly in the same boat in a still shockingly bad market for guys without type ratings and newbies but jumping to every conclusion as a rather good package is on offer is not the way things should be.

From the negative posts it is quite frustrating to read and I hope you do speak to a few ladies and gents who have dealt with us as we do try to have a chat and build up a relationship with our candidates as well as clients. I have personally been in the same situation as most low hour and non tr pilots so we 100% understand and I never ever forget where I started. If there's a few tips we can give on the CV. We will give it ! Not charge £25 for a re-writing service like others. If we don't think your suitable for a position. We will tell you and discuss how we still may be able to help. If there's a position going somewhere we do not deal with. We will tell you !

Basically. For the negative posters and everyone. Give us a call. Have a chat, drop by the manchester office for a brew ! We don't bite : - ) we will try to help !

Were not saying we will guarantee every pilot on the planet a position. But
we know how disheartening the job market can be so we will try to point you in the right direction.

Looking forward to seeing the posts on the 22nd !

One does apologize if there are any grammar/spelling mistakes ! Sending this from a blackberry with my sausage fingers is extrordinarily hard.

With thousands CVs received every day, it's normal to expect nothing back.

Honestly, I applied for the Experienced F/O position (I hold 4300 hours on 737) hoping for a reply but as I read here on pprune that a lot of CVs were sent, I became aware of this advertisement (the "low hour" one) and realized that the amount of CVs might have been huge :}

Carl,

Only asked what the role was as it states "third officer" at the top header of your own advert. :confused:

If you look at the C&M website and how the search criteria is performed you'd notice that there are a myriad of options for flight crew, eg co-pilot, pilot, first officer, second officer etc.

It seems to me when C&M get a new role to advertise, they'll put it under the flight crew categories it best applies to. Since Flight crew encompasses all of the above options, it's possible to find this role under "third officer". A closer inspection of the actual role reveals that it's a First Officer role.

Nothing complicated here as far as I'm concerned.

SkyHigh86

I have a selection of Real Pilot Hats, you're quite welcome to have your pick of them. I'll remove any braiding, bit too crunchy. All I ask is the video is made widely available to view !!
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