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Boeing B787 Dreamliner Pilot Jobs

Recruiter Rishworth Aviation

Posted 05 April 2012

Ref Boeing B787 Dreamliner

Location Bangkok, Thailand

Sector Flight Crew - Captain, Flight Crew - Co-pilot, Flight Crew - First Officer, Flight Crew - Pilot, Flight Crew - Captain/Instructor, Flight Crew - Senior First Officer

Contract Type Contract

Hours Full Time

Salary .


http://jobs.flightglobal.com/getasse...0-6ca8ee8880d8 Apply now (this will open in a new window)


Further information

Norwegian Long Haul A/S will be starting Long Haul flights with the B787 Dreamliner in early 2013 and is now looking for experienced Boeing pilots.


Minimum requirements for all positions on the B787 Dreamliner

• JAA license
• EU passport holder
• JAA medical Class one
• Current on B737, B747, B757, B767 or B777
• Preference will be given to pilots with long haul experience especially from Boeing B777

For more details and to fast track your application please APPLY NOW.
Pilots who don't yet meet these experience requirements are also invited to register and update their details at Rishworth Aviation Homepage - Rishworth Aviation. When your experience matches our position requirements, we will be able to notify you of positions which you qualify for, which may be of interest to you

Nice, but if I would fly a 777 oder 747, why join the 787? :}

As usual, if the price is right... Besides, for 777 guys there is nearly no training as 777 and 787 are on a common type rating. Three days at most from what we were told by boeing.

Been in the Gatwick 787 sim , very nice touches , but I think any modern jet pilot could transition no probs , maybe a 777 dude would have a slight edge , but why would you go to an LCC unless you wanted to live in SIN ?
And , lets face it , the deal cannot be that good money-wise / rent -wise , otherwise they would happily let their Scandi based crew fly it ?

Would personally avoid Riskworse like the plague; so looked at the PARC ad - and it requires 737NG type rated only. :confused:

Didn't realise that Norway was located in the Far East?

Like the 777, it flies too far :confused: Now if you could bag 777 or 787 Gatwick to Palma contract :}

10K euro for skippers
7k euro for relief skippes
6k euros for F/Os.

Sort out your own accommodations. Figures above includes all per diems and flightpay.

10K euro for skippers
7k euro for relief skippes
6k euros for F/Os.

thats a disgrace..... is this what DY has come to..... :ugh::ugh::ugh:
:yuk:

Somebody will have a job and a bit sorting out the several thousand applications for that job :)

I wonder if the mentioned salaries are before tax? If so that would be aprox. 25-30 % below my current salary for flying a 737!
What about the type rating- any bond or is it self funded?

Bizzare. So, if I were a current Norwegian 737NG pilot I would be PI$$ED! They would be exporting my longhaul flying opportunities... What, only expats are experienced enough to fly the 787? Really? I guess European 737NG time is worthless to them? :ugh:

I suppose they will get a few Virgin Australia, Malaysian or Thai pilots with 777 time. But why leave a stable job for this contract? Hope those pilots enjoy flights to cold Norway during the winter... :eek:Can a current Norwegian 737NG pilot based in Norway bid for the 787 Bangkok domicile - or is it a completely separate contract?

Clearly they are doing this for economic reasons, but what is the point of hiring 737NG pilots in Norway if they can't also promote them to the longhaul airplanes? I just don't get it... Anyone care to rationalize it for me?:confused:

It is a Rishworth contract. That said, will there be any Norwegian 787 pilots based in Oslo - or will all 787 drivers be located out of country (i.e., in Thailand) on a separate contract? What percentage of 787 seats will go to the Rishworth contract vs. internal pilots?

Norwegian pilots must apply through the contract agencies like everybody else. In order to switch to the contract, Norwegian pilots are granted 3 years of leave of absence from their permanent positions. Oh the joy....

B787
 

I don't agree with it, but I suppose that "outsourcing" is the only way low cost long might work. They avoid the scandi taxes and social taxes. Not to mention the union pressure.

I wonder how many 777 guys that would be willing to work for that salary, also have a JAR licence and EU passport?

I must admit, when I first saw the ad I thought it was a type-o or someone taking the piss.

Anyway, there will be always someone willing to do it. Even at half that rate.

interesting times.

and if locally based and paid here then don't forget effectively 37% income tax comes off that too.

Only €1200/ €900 more than they pay (respectively) Capt's & FO's on the 737.

Leftheadingnorth,

Very interesting. I wonder how many current Norwegian pilots would consider that. Would they get any preference given their current Norwegian status? Probably not. Personally, if I were in that situation, I'd consider a 3-year Thailand vacation to fly the 787. Returning to chilly Oslo after 3 years in the heat and humidity would be an interesting transition. :}:cool:

Another question: will all of the 787 pilot slots be based outside of Scandinavia?

This idea that longhaul opportunities can be exported to keep longhaul costs down is a dangerous idea for pilots in my opinion. This is a dangerous precedent for our profession - Jetstar Asia moving to Hong Kong (and already Singapore and Japan) and now Norwegian basing aircraft in Asia. Why not outsource the entire pilot operation to the Congo or to India? The 200+ new Boeings and Neos could be flown by cheaper Eastern Europeans or Ukranians - they are located not too far from Scandinavia. It would be far cheaper than employing pilots in high-taxed Scandinavia. Right? I understand the economic rationale in the LCC world. Margins are tight and competition intense. I understand that. But we are not talking about a major increase in 787 airframes and total number of pilots impacted - maybe 10-18 787s according to some articles. Basing pilots and airplanes in Bangkok seems a bit extreme considering the small number of pilots on the 787 relative to the huge numbers to be flying the 737 Max and Neo in the years to come.

I am not as familiar with Norwegian as I am with Ryan/Easy. How are Norwegian pilots responding to this exportation of their longhaul opportunities? Are they as pi$$ed as I would be? Is there a union involved? Will there be a lot of applications internally for the 3-year Thailand/787 vacation? :}:8

@Iver

As far as I know there will be no 787-crewes based in Scandinavia.

The Norwegian-pilots are quite disappointed and pissed. They have a union and they have numerous issues with the company. I wouldn't be too surprised by some sort of action or strike at some point.

The fact that they're outsourcing norwegian jobs alone keeps me from applying.

Safelife,

Just apply directly to the Norwegian 787 position in Bangkok if you meet the minimums, stay 3 years, and then get a 777 or another 787 job somewhere else...

The fact that Norwegian's management is even trying this is just ballsey in my opinion. They are asking for a fight. Yes, I would be upset and pi$$ed if I were a Norwegian pilot right now.

Norwegian's exporting of longhaul flying opportunities is not a good precedent for other airline pilot groups either. What's next? Iberia exporting international operations (A340 jobs) to pilots based in Colombia or Venezuela? Certainly could find cheaper pilots in those locations.... :mad::ugh:

Do you really think that these guys are dumber than the rest of the pilot population?

You get far more than that flying a maggot (737) on contract.....

Money counts
 

There where and will be allways takers at the lower end of the scale. I was hit by a surprise when the offer came but I am sure they have enough applicants for that.

10.000.--€ - accommodation and other related expenses leaves you with real income before TAX of around 8.000.--€, deduct the TAX and it may be 6.000.--€ NET, is that worth the effort and the burden? Money counts.

If you are out on the street then I am sure it helps to pay your bills, but tomorrow the next lower offer comes. Who looses at the end of that scale ?

Is this not the company that requires current SFOs to resign from their permanent status and join a contact agency as part of the command upgrade process? Norwegian's way of limiting their tax and social security bill? Probably the reason why they are basing the 787 in the Far East with contact agency terms.

What was it about Ryanair setting a benchmark.......

Being a 757 capt, I may, just about fit for a cruise captain.question is do you get a full TR to do that or is it some reduced rating that is useless after ?

People moaning about the TCs but I've been out of a job for five months. I can't get picky on pay.

It's a sad state of affairs when in the UK there are hundreds of highly experienced Jet Captns & F/Os out of work, while the industry continues to hire 'cadets'.

I hope things work out for you 'Fade to Grey'. I was in a similar position to you 18 months ago. One thing is for sure, the 787 will be a highly desirable rating to have in the coming years.

Im absolutely certain that no one from Virgin Australia would be dumb enough to sign up on those T and C's considering a 777 FO base salary earns more than the 787 captain.

Its pretty sad to see airlines off shoring jobs. Back in Australia Qantas and Jetstar are trying to get their 787 pilots to be based in Singapore on crap conditions too.

Remember that sort of money goes a long way in Thailand. A penthouse at the beach a couple of hours south of BKK with a full time servant would be affordable even for an F/O.

A couple of hours will be a really nice thing during your standby days.

Again, I view this as a dangerous precedent for airline pilots if this is allowed to happen. If the savings are significant enough, other airlines will take notice and will be able to point to this example as precedent. Jetstar is also taking a similar route.

I hope the Norwegian pilots don't just sit back and accept this... Next thing you will find is that all Airbus NEOs will be based out of Albania or the Ukraine. :eek::mad:

Pay, time off, roster stability, friendly work environment. The type of A/C you fly needs to be deep into the who gives a f%^+\€£ category:=

I wonder how DY is going to do this regarding bilaterals and such. Are the 787 going to be on a Thai AOC? A Thai AOC won´t get you rights to fly Norway to the US, whereas they could fly as a wet-lease for DY provided the Thai entity had US DOT approval. I think Norwegian will run into stumbling blocks, and by no means will they have easy competition on either the Far-East or Trans-Atlantic routes. This will be interesting to follow.
Lousy treatment of senior DY pilots.

Just finished transition training from 777 to 787. Anybody who thinks this can be done in 3 days is smoking something!

Iver
That's the whole fu***ing problem. In the meantime there'll be no more "good airlines" to go to...

That is the reasoning of Norwegians CEO, Bjorn Kjos also; since other LCC use contract pilots, we have to do it to in order to be competitive. :yuk:

The only way this sh** will stop is IF WE SAY STOP!!! But that does'nt seem to happen :mad: :ugh:


I've heard some pilots, especially RYR/esy folks from scandinavia; I'll just take some ****ty contract to get enough hours to go home to Norway and work for Norwegian. In the meantime DY has, due to the competition from ryr/esy etc, also started using contract pilots with even worse T&C. So now they turn DY down, because they can't afford it. That's gotta be a kick in the ba**s, but who's to blame?!? :=

dream on..................
 

Not sure about rest of the deal but on a positive note this is probably the only advertisement where they cannot demand 500+ h on type........ yet!

Have you seen the bond, or 'Bank Guarantee' as they call it, which has just been published?

Bank Guarantee:

The pilot will be required to have a bank guarantee in place prior to starting on this contract, this will reduce by 10,000 Euros each completed year of contract. The bank guarantee will only be acted upon if the pilot is not successful at completing the full contract.

 Current B-777 Pilots
• No bank guarantee will be required.

 Current B767,757 or 737 Pilots
• A bank guarantee of 30,000 Euros will be required.

 All others Type rated Pilots
• A bank guarantee of 40,000 Euros will be required.

Eye watering! I know that it's a new aircraft type, and that Norwegian will probably feel that they are taking a bit of a risk, but that amount of money is staggering, particularly in relation to the salary, and the other terms and conditions.

anyone heard yet?

Last I heard FRying Air were demanding 30K for a 737 rating, with no guarantee of anything beyond paid by the hour. (15K€ profit in there too)

Not cheap, but ballpark for our "wonderful" industry.

How much is a Scania TR ? :rolleyes:

Scania? As in articulated lorry? About £2,500. You can get it paid for, and no bond &c....

Just pulling your plonker from the back of my wifi rednose on the way to work tomorrow.

Cheers

Norwegian/Risworth B787 Contract based in Bangkok
 

Is there anyone who actually know/seen the contract and all the terms ?

Until now it looks like guessing on the pay scale etc etc with no real conformation.

Of course anyone without a job would apply if they suit the requirements for the contract as the bills have to be paid.

I would think even pilots already in job would apply as well in order to try something new and the opportunity for B787 endorsement.

Before anyone begin to write unsuitable comments about staying away for whatever reasons.....I am already in job, however still interested in what the contract offers like many others.